Six great endings in music.

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Christo

Quote from: vandermolen on October 26, 2011, 01:47:31 PM
Stanley Bate Symphony No 4 (hopeless defience - right up my street)

And yes, you are right about Bate's Fourth too. Hopeless defiance. At first, I thought that his energetic Third - comparable to Walton's First IMHO - is the better symphony. But the more I play the Fourth, the more it grows and the more it becomes a tragic and quite unique piece of music - unique because of its special `tone' that you catch well here.
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

TheGSMoeller

I love lists! But why only 6?  ;D

Britten: Gloriana - in the final moments of Britten's opera, several of the lines are spoken rather than sung, melodies from the previous acts reoccur, and an offstage choir ends it all as it fades into silence...incredibly dramatic.

Prokofiev: Symphony No.7 - I've already seen it listed on this thread, but I had to give it another vote.  If you haven't already, listen to Tennstedt's recording, it's almost Wagnerian.

Berlioz: La damnation de Faust / Requiem - I know I chose two, but they are similar and equally heavenly (bad pun). Marguerite's acceptance into heaven in Faust, and the over-a-minute long "amen" ending the Requiem are both very powerful.

Adams: Harmonielehre - Not sure where to actually label the "ending" of this piece, the final movement feels like a race that may never end, quite exhilarating.

Berg: Wozzeck - A heavier than heavy interlude leads the story into the brief final scene of kids playing on the street, including the son of Maria...absolutely chilling.

Haydn: Symphony No.45, "Farewell" - Whether live (with the performers leaving) or heard on a recording, the final dissolving minutes of this piece compliment the first 3 1/2 movements perfectly.

vandermolen

Quote from: Christo on October 26, 2011, 02:14:15 PM
And yes, you are right about Bate's Fourth too. Hopeless defiance. At first, I thought that his energetic Third - comparable to Walton's First IMHO - is the better symphony. But the more I play the Fourth, the more it grows and the more it becomes a tragic and quite unique piece of music - unique because of its special `tone' that you catch well here.

Very well put Johan - I totally agree.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on October 26, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
I love lists! But why only 6?  ;D

Britten: Gloriana - in the final moments of Britten's opera, several of the lines are spoken rather than sung, melodies from the previous acts reoccur, and an offstage choir ends it all as it fades into silence...incredibly dramatic.

Prokofiev: Symphony No.7 - I've already seen it listed on this thread, but I had to give it another vote.  If you haven't already, listen to Tennstedt's recording, it's almost Wagnerian.

Berlioz: La damnation de Faust / Requiem - I know I chose two, but they are similar and equally heavenly (bad pun). Marguerite's acceptance into heaven in Faust, and the over-a-minute long "amen" ending the Requiem are both very powerful.

Adams: Harmonielehre - Not sure where to actually label the "ending" of this piece, the final movement feels like a race that may never end, quite exhilarating.

Berg: Wozzeck - A heavier than heavy interlude leads the story into the brief final scene of kids playing on the street, including the son of Maria...absolutely chilling.

Haydn: Symphony No.45, "Farewell" - Whether live (with the performers leaving) or heard on a recording, the final dissolving minutes of this piece compliment the first 3 1/2 movements perfectly.

I must listen to the Adams and the Prokofiev. The limit to six is totally arbitrary.  It dates from my student days when I joined a fine music library in High Street Kensington (London). You were only allowed three LPs at a time - so I got my dad to join too - which gave me six LPs - so I was constantly having to limit myself to this number.  But please feel free to choose more.  :)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

TheGSMoeller

Quote from: vandermolen on October 27, 2011, 01:25:46 PM
I must listen to the Adams and the Prokofiev. The limit to six is totally arbitrary.  It dates from my student days when I joined a fine music library in High Street Kensington (London). You were only allowed three LPs at a time - so I got my dad to join too - which gave me six LPs - so I was constantly having to limit myself to this number.  But please feel free to choose more.  :)

My library is the same, and 6 is fine, I would actually prefer it over something like 45 Great Endings in Music, for that I would need a bottle of wine and pull an all-nighter.  ;D

And yes, listen to Prokofiev's 7th, and make sure it's with the original soft ending (Tennstedt, Ozawa).

starrynight

Not sure if these have been mentioned yet....

Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto 1 (1st movement)
Beethoven op132 (1st movement)
Beethoven - Symphony 9 (1st movement)
Holst - Planets - Jupiter

Dax

Pijper - piano concerto

An "I've just run out of manuscript paper" ending.

jowcol

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on October 26, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
tic.

Prokofiev: Symphony No.7 - I've already seen it listed on this thread, but I had to give it another vote.  If you haven't already, listen to Tennstedt's recording, it's almost Wagnerian.

I have to agree with Edward's rant a page of so back that the happy ending that tacked on at the very end of the 7th in some versions undermines one of the greatest valedictory statements made by a composer, IMO.
"If it sounds good, it is good."
Duke Ellington

TheGSMoeller

Quote from: jowcol on October 28, 2011, 01:19:21 PM
I have to agree with Edward's rant a page of so back that the happy ending that tacked on at the very end of the 7th in some versions undermines one of the greatest valedictory statements made by a composer, IMO.

And the reason that Prokofiev added the "happy" at the end of the symphony validates this even more. 

RJR

Last movements of

Schubert Ninth
Prokofiev 7 & 8th Piano Sonatas
Debussy La Mer
Brahms 1st Symphony
Roussel 3rd
Beethoven Fifth
Beethoven Op. 57
Stravinsky Rite of Spring

Lisztianwagner

My list could be:

Wagner Der Ring des Nibelungen
Beethoven Symphony No.9
Mahler Symphony No.6/No.8
Tchaikovsky 1812 Ouverture
Respighi I Pini di Roma
Ravel Daphnis et Chloé

Apart from those, I could also include Wagner's Tristan, Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet, Liszt's Les Preludes, Rachmaninov's Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini and Stravinsky' The Firebird :)
"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg

madaboutmahler

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on November 09, 2011, 05:33:41 AM
My list could be:

Wagner Der Ring des Nibelungen
Beethoven Symphony No.9
Mahler Symphony No.6/No.8
Tchaikovsky 1812 Ouverture
Respighi I Pini di Roma
Ravel Daphnis et Chloé

Apart from those, I could also include Wagner's Tristan, Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet, Liszt's Les Preludes, Rachmaninov's Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini and Stravinsky' The Firebird :)

Great choices Ilaria! The ending to Der Ring des Nibelungen is certainly one I should have included on my list, so beautiful and powerful. Couldn't imagine a more perfect ending!
"Music is ... A higher revelation than all Wisdom & Philosophy"
— Ludwig van Beethoven

Brahmsian

Quote from: madaboutmahler on November 09, 2011, 09:57:20 AM
Great choices Ilaria! The ending to Der Ring des Nibelungen is certainly one I should have included on my list, so beautiful and powerful. Couldn't imagine a more perfect ending!

Daniel, which recording did you finally decide upon for Der Ring des Nibelungen:)

madaboutmahler

Quote from: ChamberNut on November 09, 2011, 10:06:31 AM
Daniel, which recording did you finally decide upon for Der Ring des Nibelungen:)

Hi Ray, I still have not got one of my own :( I managed to borrow the Karajan off a friend, and listened to Gotterdammerung which was excellent. So it will probably be the Karajan on my Christmas list! Read that you have just brought the Solti - enjoy! :)
"Music is ... A higher revelation than all Wisdom & Philosophy"
— Ludwig van Beethoven

Karl Henning

Some pieces, you're not particular how they end, but you're grateful when they do end ; )
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Brahmsian

Quote from: karlhenning on November 09, 2011, 10:24:29 AM
Some pieces, you're not particular how they end, but you're grateful when they do end ; )

Bite your tongue, Monsieur Henning!  8)

Brahmsian

Quote from: madaboutmahler on November 09, 2011, 10:18:43 AM
Hi Ray, I still have not got one of my own :( I managed to borrow the Karajan off a friend, and listened to Gotterdammerung which was excellent. So it will probably be the Karajan on my Christmas list! Read that you have just brought the Solti - enjoy! :)

If I ever get a 3rd set, it will be the Karajan Ring, for sure.  :)

Still waiting for the Solti Ring to arrive in the mail.  Should be very soon.  :)

Lisztianwagner

Quote from: madaboutmahler on November 09, 2011, 10:18:43 AM
Hi Ray, I still have not got one of my own :( I managed to borrow the Karajan off a friend, and listened to Gotterdammerung which was excellent. So it will probably be the Karajan on my Christmas list! Read that you have just brought the Solti - enjoy! :)

That's great, Karajan's Ring Cycle is certainly one the best I've ever heard, it is definitely worth buying :) But you  have to start listening from Das Rheingold, the first of the Ring operas.

Also the Solti is excellent though, very passionate overwhelming, and so is the Barenboim too :)
"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg

madaboutmahler

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on November 09, 2011, 01:14:25 PM
That's great, Karajan's Ring Cycle is certainly one the best I've ever heard, it is definitely worth buying :) But you  have to start listening from Das Rheingold, the first of the Ring operas.

Also the Solti is excellent though, very passionate overwhelming, and so is the Barenboim too :)

Yes, I suppose I should have started with Das Rheingold... :( But I so desperately wanted to hear Gotterdammerung after being amazed by the excerpts I had heard, such as the Immolation Scene! I shall start from the beggining next time :)

Karajan, Solti and Barenboim are the three I am considering at the moment - if you had to pick one, Ilaria, which one would it be? ;)
"Music is ... A higher revelation than all Wisdom & Philosophy"
— Ludwig van Beethoven

Rinaldo

Tabula Rasa. The individual instruments fall into silence as they're unable to keep with the tonal descent and then it's only the double bass drifting into eternity..
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