Saul's Music Space

[(poco) Sforzando]

That's all good, except that its indeed in E major, thanks.

Your opening measure arpeggiates a C# minor chord. The last three measures of your piece are nothing but arpeggiations of a C# minor chord. Your piece is in C# minor.

[Saul]

Your opening measure arpeggiates a C# minor chord. The last three measures of your piece are nothing but arpeggiations of a C# minor chord. Your piece is in C# minor.

The structure of the piece and how it progresses must tell you that the E major is the base of this work, look at the third measure, how in the world can you go from a c sharp minor to that?

[(poco) Sforzando]

The structure of the piece and how it progresses must tell you that the E major is the base of this work, look at the second measure, how in the world can you go from a c sharp minor to that?

You mean how can you you go from a I in C# minor to a IV? It's only in your 3rd bar that you turn to a V7 in E.

And now that I look again, your last SIX measures are nothing more than arpeggiations of a C# minor chord.

I give up . . .

[Saul]

You mean how can you you go from a I in C# minor to a IV? It's only in your 3rd bar that you turn to a V7 in E.

And now that I look again, your last SIX measures are nothing more than arpeggiations of a C# minor chord.

I give up . . .

Sorry I meant the third, the natural progression of the piece and also its feel is based on the E major key.
This piece is based on my chamber work 'At the Ocean In E major', please listen and tell me if this is not E major.

http://www.youtube.com/v/1zah59tF4GM

[(poco) Sforzando]

This piece is based on my chamber work 'At the Ocean In E major', please listen and tell me if this is not E major.

It's not.

[greg]

Yeah, they're both in C#m.

[Saul]

Funny that no one had told me so for years, I always thought it to be in E major...

Well...if Greg also insists I would have to agree.

Thank you both.

[greg]

Funny that no one had told me so for years, I always thought it to be in E major...

Well...if Greg also insists I would have to agree.

Thank you both.

Cool. 

[Saul]

I was honored today with a very nice Email, though I will admit that its vastly exaggerated, but nevertheless it was very nice of him.

Responding after listening on Youtube to my Romance In E minor for Piano - Molto Allegro Appassionato this music lover and listener wrote:

Saul,

One of the best "own compositions" I have seen in You Tube. If not the best. I really enjoyed it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTVLrNrjHJA

[Mirror Image]

I was honored today with a very nice Email, though I will admit that its vastly exaggerated, but nevertheless it was very nice of him.

Responding after listening on Youtube to my Romance In E minor for Piano - Molto Allegro Appassionato this music lover and listener wrote:

Saul,

One of the best "own compositions" I have seen in You Tube. If not the best. I really enjoyed it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTVLrNrjHJA

And yet your sole judgment rests on the fact that YouTube is the place to be if you're a classical music listener? Let me you tell you something: YouTube is a great resource to sample a work that you, otherwise, wouldn't be able to hear, but the people who make comments on YouTube, in most cases, are some of the most uninformed people on the planet.

You can receive all the superlatives on YouTube you want, but this doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things. What matters is do you commissions coming in? Is your music being performed by capable musicians? That's where things start happening. All of this computer generated stuff that you're conjuring up, doesn't mean much at all until musicians start performing your work, but I'm sure you know this and if you don't then, to use one of your phrases, I pity you.

Since alot of your music isn't playable (from the many posts I've read on this thread), how do you plan to reconcile this in order to get your music played?

[karlhenning]

Wow. That e-mail must mean that you're a great composer, Saul. What need have you to know the difference between E Major and c# minor? Follow your bliss! Your fan-base awaits!

[Mirror Image]

Wow. That e-mail must mean that you're a great composer, Saul. What need have you to know the difference between E Major and c# minor? Follow your bliss! Your fan-base awaits!

LOL.....

[Saul]

As both you and Karl bite your nails, you should know that this guy is a serious classical music lover and listener not someone that is oblivious to classical music as you suggest.
You are not the only two people in the world that know a thing or two about classical music.

And anyways, I said in the outset that I considered his comments to be exaggerated didn't I, so what's your beef?

Here's his channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/codonauta?email=comment_reply_received

[Saul]

And yet your sole judgment rests on the fact that YouTube is the place to be if you're a classical music listener? Let me you tell you something: YouTube is a great resource to sample a work that you, otherwise, wouldn't be able to hear, but the people who make comments on YouTube, in most cases, are some of the most uninformed people on the planet.

You can receive all the superlatives on YouTube you want, but this doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things. What matters is do you commissions coming in? Is your music being performed by capable musicians? That's where things start happening. All of this computer generated stuff that you're conjuring up, doesn't mean much at all until musicians start performing your work, but I'm sure you know this and if you don't then, to use one of your phrases, I pity you.

Since alot of your music isn't playable (from the many posts I've read on this thread), how do you plan to reconcile this in order to get your music played?

Its not computer generated music, ignorant.
That E minor work, I composed it entirely on the piano and then sat down and wrote it down note by note.
So instead of making fun of people all your life, get to actually know things before you spew nonsense.

[Mirror Image]

As both you and Karl bite your nails, you should know that this guy is a serious classical music lover and listener not someone that is oblivious to classical music as you suggest.
You are not the only two people in the world that know a thing or two about classical music.

And anyways, I said in the outset that I considered his comments to be exaggerated didn't I, so what's your beef?

Here's his channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/codonauta?email=comment_reply_received

Again, your view of YouTube as this "Holy Grail of Classical Enlightenment" is very humorous. You should get a bumper sticker that says "I Heart YouTube."

[Mirror Image]

Its not computer generated music, ignorant.
That E minor work, I composed it entirely on the piano and then sat down and wrote it down note by note.
So instead of making fun of people all your life, get to actually know things before you spew nonsense.

But you have used notation software that allows you to playback your music before, right? What I'm saying is get OTHER people to play your music besides yourself so we all can hear how somebody else would play your music.

[Saul]

Again, your view of YouTube as this "Holy Grail of Classical Enlightenment" is very humorous. You should get a bumper sticker that says "I Heart YouTube."

I really don't know why you are such an angry little miserable human being who just cant be happy for someone who shares with you an email from a guy that enjoyed my music?

I warned you on our interaction in email that you need to stop chasing me around and commenting about every little thing I write. This is called abusive behavior.
A normal human being would encourage young musicians who want to create art, not laugh them down, laughing down on people is extremely rude and exceedingly insensitive.
I wish that you will drop this behavior that got you in permanent trouble on the other site, and start behaving towards other members with respect and dignity, this is the minimum that is required from an adult thinking person.

If you can't behave this way, then there is something really wrong with you.

[Saul]

But you have used notation software that allows you to playback your music before, right? What I'm saying is get OTHER people to play your music besides yourself so we all can hear how somebody else would play your music.

Again and Again.. no ! no! no!

I first played it and composed it on the piano without any software, and only when the work was complete, I wrote it down, as simple as that.
The composition process was without any software, therefore you should apologize.

[(poco) Sforzando]

As both you and Karl bite your nails, you should know that this guy is a serious classical music lover and listener not someone that is oblivious to classical music as you suggest.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. I don't really give a crap. But what I will say is that (in my judgment) though there are some successful moments in that piece, there is also a good deal that I would call clumsy and not well executed. Examples include the way you get stuck in E minor for most of the duration of the piece, and don't modulate away from the home key in order to prepare your restatements of the main theme. That's why one of the best spots is where you turn to the D minor chord on p. 3, with the A minor material following (very hard to read the score when the YouTube image is so small). I think also the block chord accompaniment to the theme could be rethought. Try to imagine what Chopin or Mendelssohn would have done texturally with this material. They wouldn't pound out a single left-hand chord in close position over and over, would they?

But if you're really serious about composing, you'll listen to what people find problematic in your music, and you'll want to learn from those comments - not just the fawning praise.

As for the C# minor thing, I'm not sure why you're not hearing it for yourself. Granted, you're not using all the standard harmonies in that key such as its normal V7, but if a piece starts with a C# minor chord, ends with one, and its only pause is on a C# whole note, then the tonal center is C# minor.

[Saul]

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. I don't really give a crap. But what I will say is that (in my judgment) though there are some successful moments in that piece, there is also a good deal that I would call clumsy and not well executed. Examples include the way you get stuck in E minor for most of the duration of the piece, and don't modulate away from the home key in order to prepare your restatements of the main theme. That's why one of the best spots is where you turn to the D minor chord on p. 3, with the A minor material following (very hard to read the score when the YouTube image is so small). I think also the block chord accompaniment to the theme could be rethought. Try to imagine what Chopin or Mendelssohn would have done texturally with this material. They wouldn't pound out a single left-hand chord in close position over and over, would they?

But if you're really serious about composing, you'll listen to what people find problematic in your music, and you'll want to learn from those comments - not just the fawning praise.

As for the C# minor thing, I'm not sure why you're not hearing it for yourself. Granted, you're not using all the standard harmonies in that key such as its normal V7, but if a piece starts with a C# minor chord, ends with one, and its only pause is on a C# whole note, then the tonal center is C# minor.

I have no problem when people give me constructive criticism. And I did accept most of what you said, and then when Greg said that it was indeed in C sharp minor, I agreed fully. I don't know what else I can do, then to agree, I did agree didn't I?, and I also thanked you and Greg for pointing it out.

As to the confusion, I remember that I conceived this piece on the piano. I played the piece on the piano, and I remember that it was In E major, I don't know if you feel certain colors or differences when you play, but I can tell from one key to the other, its structural progression and its distinctive character points to me that its indeed in E major. But since two of you said its not, I reconsidered, that's all.

As to your comment about the left hand hammering the piece down too often, I think that you really need to give this piece a try on piano, off this midi recording.

On the piano, it sounds smooth and not 'hammering' but harmonious and melodic.

If you want I can provide the score, its really fun to play.