Saul's Music Space

[Saul]

Lets go back to our favorite subject.

Music.

Today I got this Email from a Human Being, who happens to be a composer, from his name I gather he is Swedish or something.

He wrote about my Romance In E minor for Piano - Molto Allegro Appassionato -the following:

Great piano piece. It really reminds me of chopin and a hungarian dance together:) Nice composition:)

To View the original comment click here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTVLrNrjHJA&feature=email&email=comment_received

This composer's page:

http://www.youtube.com/user/ComposerLarsik?email=comment_received

[(poco) Sforzando]

I am just not with this at all. If, as various of you suggest, Saul is unteachable....why do you put the continued effort into picking over his compositions?

(1) Because from time to time it has seemed to me there may be a chance, however remote, that Saul will listen and be willing to learn. The events of the past few days have convinced me definitively that I was mistaken about that.

(2) Because even if he does not, there are others here, some of whom are composers themselves, who are interested in such discussion and may want to benefit from it.

(3) Because, as Mirror Image has rightly pointed out, this thread does not "belong" to Saul, even if he is its founder and central focus. Like any thread on this forum, it is open to participation by all members, so long as they stay within the forum guidelines.

(4) Because, speaking as a person with some musical education, I find work that is shoddy and amateurish to be offensive, the more so when the perpetrator clearly regards his productions as finished compositions deserving only of the highest praise. Am I under some kind of restraining order here where I cannot speak my mind? The fact is that I have frequently pulled my punches here and spoken much more mildly than I could have, under the theory that less is more (see also #1 above). But if a person presents their work on this forum, they have to be prepared for reactions both good and bad, and to learn how to accept criticism with good grace.

[Saul]

(1) Because from time to time it has seemed to me there may be a chance, however remote, that Saul will listen and be willing to learn. The events of the past few days have convinced me definitively that I was mistaken about that.

(2) Because even if he does not, there are others here, some of whom are composers themselves, who are interested in such discussion and may want to benefit from it.

(3) Because, as Mirror Image has rightly pointed out, this thread does not "belong" to Saul, even if he is its founder and central focus. Like any thread on this forum, it is open to participation by all members, so long as they stay within the forum guidelines.

(4) Because, speaking as a person with some musical education, I find work that is shoddy and amateurish to be offensive, the more so when the perpetrator clearly regards his productions as finished compositions deserving only of the highest praise. Am I under some kind of restraining order here where I cannot speak my mind? The fact is that I have frequently pulled my punches here and spoken much more mildly than I could have, under the theory that less is more (see also #1 above). But if a person presents their work on this forum, they have to be prepared for reactions both good and bad, and to learn how to accept criticism with good grace.

Knight,

Do you see what I had to deal with for years now?

[Philoctetes]

Knight,

Do you see what I had to deal with for years now?

Um.. Mr. No is a really bad example, as he is easily one of the most rational and reasonable posters.

[karlhenning]

Do you see what I had to deal with for years now?

On the other hand, for years, others have had to deal with you. They say it hasn't exactly been a picnic.

[Saul]

On the other hand, for years, others have had to deal with you. They say it hasn't exactly been a picnic.

As Knight said, no one is forced to come and comment on my works.

On the one hand as Mr. No had said that he somehow finds my works to be offensive.
On the other hand, you come and comment as you will without any duress.

So what are you complaining about?

[karlhenning]

You mistake me entirely (just as you did with your silly "nail-biting" comment, among others too numerous to mention). I'm not complaining about anything. In fact, I thank you for all the laughs!  We all remember perfectly well your laughable mini-tirade about how Schoenberg and Stravinsky were such "terrible" composers.  So when you put on airs of calling my piece "the worst viola sonata ever," those among us here with taste think, "Hm, there must be something good to Karl's piece. I think I'll give it a listen."

You don't understand me or my music in the least, Saul. And that is not any complaint, I assure you.

[Mirror Image]

You mistake me entirely (just as you did with your silly "nail-biting" comment, among others too numerous to mention). I'm not complaining about anything. In fact, I thank you for all the laughs!  We all remember perfectly well your laughable mini-tirade about how Schoenberg and Stravinsky were such "terrible" composers.  So when you put on airs of calling my piece "the worst viola sonata ever," those among us here with taste think, "Hm, there must be something good to Karl's piece. I think I'll give it a listen."

You don't understand me or my music in the least, Saul. And that is not any complaint, I assure you.

Brilliantly stated my friend.

[Saul]

You mistake me entirely (just as you did with your silly "nail-biting" comment, among others too numerous to mention). I'm not complaining about anything. In fact, I thank you for all the laughs!  We all remember perfectly well your laughable mini-tirade about how Schoenberg and Stravinsky were such "terrible" composers.  So when you put on airs of calling my piece "the worst viola sonata ever," those among us here with taste think, "Hm, there must be something good to Karl's piece. I think I'll give it a listen."

You don't understand me or my music in the least, Saul. And that is not any complaint, I assure you.

The problem is that you and the likes of you seek authority here when it comes to music.
And when I refuse to bow down, your ego gets hurt and as a result you get very upset and attack me and my music.

Sorry for not serving your ego, Karl, but as Knight said before, I view the world differently then you do.

Cheers,

Saul

[Mirror Image]

Since we're discussing music now, how about those Berg Three Pieces for Orchestra?

Here's what our good buddy MTT had to say about this work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF6tkYg-ZOo

[Saul]

Since we're discussing music now, how about those Berg Three Pieces for Orchestra?

Here's what our good buddy MTT had to say about this work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF6tkYg-ZOo

You can create any thread that you like, about any composer or musician, but your purpose of posting that on my thread was to inflame and to agitate, and its also a form of spamming.

[Scarpia]

Since we're discussing music now, how about those Berg Three Pieces for Orchestra?

Here's what our good buddy MTT had to say about this work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF6tkYg-ZOo

I think you may have finally succeeded in becoming more annoying than Saul.  Congratulations.

[Mirror Image]

You can create any thread that you like, about any composer or musician, but your purpose of posting that on my thread was to inflame and to agitate, and its also a form of spamming.

How many times do I have to explain to you that this isn't your thread? I have every right to post here as much as you have every right to walk down the street and buy a newspaper.

I'm not a big fan of spam. I do like ham, but that's more than I can say for my friend Sam.

[karlhenning]

You know better then me that not everything that is performed means that its good.

I also know better than you that someone having the nerve to upload his "work" onto YouTube doesn't mean that it's good. LOL

[knight66]

I agree that Sforzando has, together with Luke some time back, provided genuinely helpful critique from which Saul might have profited. greg has also weighed in to try and clarify the thinking on key shifts. Saul has taken marginal aspects of these remarks on board, but really, if anyone thought that he was about to rush off for formal composition classes, well....you are now I hope completely disabused.

The underlying attitude is not one of teachability and I again therefore ask, rhetorically, to others not specified above; why bother to repeat earlier ignored remarks? Some have fallen into the trap of direct insult.

While it is true that everyone is entitled to post here, I am getting the impression from some posters that they embark on a parallel exercise to entering into a vegetarian restaurant and insisting that meat be served; then persisting with the futile campaign when the owners are obdurate.

I am locking this thread for now and I will be tidying away a few intemperate posts that have been reported and perhaps some that have not. Even if someone is a fool, saying so explicitly here is against the rules.

Knight