Non-Classical Music Listening Thread!

[steve ridgway]

After Waters left Pink Floyd, something strange happened. Gilmour's guitar lost its meaning; the endless repetition of the sound discovered in the '70s turned into impotent self-parody. Waters' meaning was left without music, gradually transforming into the screams and yells of a man hurt by everything and everyone.  Gilmour and Waters should come together again, to reunite the two incomplete halves, but Heraclitus won't allow it

One thing I don't miss about rock music forums is the endless argument about what was the last good album by each artist .

[AnotherSpin]

One thing I don't miss about rock music forums is the endless argument about what was the last good album by each artist .

What's there to argue about? The last great album featuring both Waters and Gilmour was The Wall

[71 dB]

One thing I don't miss about rock music forums is the endless argument about what was the last good album by each artist .

This "last good album" craziness applies other music genres too. Some people say Underwater Sunlight is the last good album by Tangerine Dream because the singing in Tyger was too much for them. Some People say LP5 is the last good album by Autechre because the sophistication of Confield was too complex for their mind.

An album made in 1972 is a manifestation of the musical principles of a band affected by the time it was created in. If the same band made an album ten years later in 1982, that was a manifestation of the more or less same musical principles of a band affected by the another time. The World was not the same in 1972 and in 1982. That's why an album from 1982 sounds like another  album from 1972 only is making it sound like it was made 10 years earlier was the artistic intent, which is hardly ever the case.

The question is do people like only the manifestations or do they also like the creative principles behind those manifestations. People who merely like the manifestations are likely to dislike later manifestations (albums) due to how the ever changing World has an effect on them. People who also appreciate the creative principles are more likely to accept and appreciate also later albums despite of increasing differences compared to prior albums. People who followed a band from the beginning tend to appreciate the first few albums the most while people who discovered a band later can more easily appreciate albums from different eras.

[AnotherSpin]

This "last good album" craziness applies other music genres too. Some people say Underwater Sunlight is the last good album by Tangerine Dream because the singing in Tyger was too much for them. Some People say LP5 is the last good album by Autechre because the sophistication of Confield was too complex for their mind.

An album made in 1972 is a manifestation of the musical principles of a band affected by the time it was created in. If the same band made an album ten years later in 1982, that was a manifestation of the more or less same musical principles of a band affected by the another time. The World was not the same in 1972 and in 1982. That's why an album from 1982 sounds like another  album from 1972 only is making it sound like it was made 10 years earlier was the artistic intent, which is hardly ever the case.

The question is do people like only the manifestations or do they also like the creative principles behind those manifestations. People who merely like the manifestations are likely to dislike later manifestations (albums) due to how the ever changing World has an effect on them. People who also appreciate the creative principles are more likely to accept and appreciate also later albums despite of increasing differences compared to prior albums. People who followed a band from the beginning tend to appreciate the first few albums the most while people who discovered a band later can more easily appreciate albums from different eras.

One can view the work of any musician or group through the lens of a life cycle. Birth, nurturing, rapid growth, prime, resting on laurels, stagnation, aging, decline, and death. The prime is characterized by a perfect balance of flexibility and control. Before the prime, flexibility dominates; after the prime, control takes over. The period of flexibility lacks responsibility. The period of control lacks the ability and desire to take risks, to try something new. Before the prime, there's an ascent; after the prime, a descent. This can be applied to any person, any organism—biological, social, etc.

[NumberSix]

After Waters left Pink Floyd, something strange happened. Gilmour's guitar lost its meaning; the endless repetition of the sound discovered in the '70s turned into impotent self-parody. Waters' meaning was left without music, gradually transforming into the screams and yells of a man hurt by everything and everyone.  Gilmour and Waters should come together again, to reunite the two incomplete halves, but Heraclitus won't allow it

I love this! Is it Plato's Symposium that talks about how everyone is but a half, looking for their other half to make a complete person (or soul?).

Your explanation fits my emotional experience of the music.

[NumberSix]

One thing I don't miss about rock music forums is the endless argument about what was the last good album by each artist .

Now it's just endless arguments about which Beethoven cycle is best or HIP/modern or what constitutes Romantic vs Late Romantic and so on. 

[NumberSix]

One can view the work of any musician or group through the lens of a life cycle. Birth, nurturing, rapid growth, prime, resting on laurels, stagnation, aging, decline, and death. The prime is characterized by a perfect balance of flexibility and control. Before the prime, flexibility dominates; after the prime, control takes over. The period of flexibility lacks responsibility. The period of control lacks the ability and desire to take risks, to try something new. Before the prime, there's an ascent; after the prime, a descent. This can be applied to any person, any organism—biological, social, etc.

Indeed. Plus, as a musician ages -- and the more successful they might become -- there's tremendous pressure to maintain. You can't take risks because now you have a family or an army of supporting staff and band members. Or you have a reputation to preserve.

The Stones, for instance, have IMO not made bad music from 1989-now. But most of it's not very adventurous -- or even interesting. It's competent, and I happen to like a good chunk of it when the mood strikes. But I suspect they don't push boundaries anymore because they feel they have a lot to lose. (or maybe they've just been out of ideas for 3+ decades)

[AnotherSpin]

I love this! Is it Plato's Symposium that talks about how everyone is but a half, looking for their other half to make a complete person (or soul?).

Your explanation fits my emotional experience of the music.

Yes, Symposium.

Love as the desire of separated halves to be reunited. Love = integration.

[NumberSix]

Desert Rose Band: Greatest Hits

I started this one yesterday, but I let myself get distracted and didn't make it far into the album. Today, I have been listening to -- and enjoying -- a lot of Beethoven, so some steel guitar should be a nice change of pace.

[ShineyMcShineShine]

SPOTIFY:

Vangelis - Mask (1985)

This felt like return to the mid 70s sound/style for Vangelis. I am not very fond of this side of his artistry.

Alvar Aalto is pretty well-known around the World.

I didn't care for Mask either.

[ShineyMcShineShine]

The Rolling Stones The Complete Woodstock Tapes 1978 recorded at Bearsville Studio, Woodstock, NY, USA, May/June 1978

[SimonNZ]

[SimonNZ]

Wow. Nick Cave has nodded in this direction a few times, but this is by far the lushest arrangements and backings and most ecstatic delivery he's produced for what is a sustained overwhelming experience.

[AnotherSpin]

Wow. Nick Cave has nodded in this direction a few times, but this is by far the lushest arrangements and backings and most ecstatic delivery he's produced for what is a sustained overwhelming experience.

+1

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Wow. Nick Cave has nodded in this direction a few times, but this is by far the lushest arrangements and backings and most ecstatic delivery he's produced for what is a sustained overwhelming experience.

He was on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert quite recently.  I had heard of him before, but don't recall hearing any of his music.  Great and really touching interview/discussion between the two.

PD

[SimonNZ]

He was on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert quite recently.  I had heard of him before, but don't recall hearing any of his music.  Great and really touching interview/discussion between the two.

PD

Thanks. I'd recommend The Boatmans Call as a good entry point. It his most piano-ballady and one of his finest collections of songs, and you can then decide how much of his rougher edges you'd like after that.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Thanks. I'd recommend The Boatmans Call as a good entry point. It his most piano-ballady and one of his finest collections of songs, and you can then decide how much of his rougher edges you'd like after that.

I was quite impressed when he talked about the Red Hand Files and read one of his replies...very thoughtful and poignant.

PD

p.s.  The YT video is apparently the extended version of their conversation.  The one that I saw was the one aired on the t.v. show.

[NumberSix]

Joe Bonamassa: Dust Bowl (2011)

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Joe Bonamassa: Dust Bowl (2011)

I don't know that particular album, but I am very impressed with the recordings/performances (on t.v.) that I've heard of his.  I remember stumbling across a performance of his on good ole PBS.  First time that I had heard of him...and was wowed! 

PD

[NumberSix]

I don't know that particular album, but I am very impressed with the recordings/performances (on t.v.) that I've heard of his.  I remember stumbling across a performance of his on good ole PBS.  First time that I had heard of him...and was wowed! 

PD

I have listened twice. I was expecting heavier Stevie-esque blues-rock, but it's a bit rootsier. Lots of great solos, of course.

I like it. First album of his I have played.