Five exceptionally fine first symphonies

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Quote from: vandermolen on July 23, 2018, 02:11:05 AM
List No.3

Walton
Sauguet
Popov
Raid
Arnold

I had forgotten the Raid. A true accomplishment from a young composer. That is one of my favorite Baltic symphonies.

vandermolen

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Quote from: SymphonicAddict on July 23, 2018, 06:25:49 PM
I had forgotten the Raid. A true accomplishment from a young composer. That is one of my favorite Baltic symphonies.

Yes, a fine work Cesar, showing the influence of his teacher Tubin, whose First Symphony I also greatly admire and could have included on my list.
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vandermolen

Also the very impressive (only) one by F. Lopes-Graca which I have been listening to, with much pleasure, today.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

relm1

Quote from: kyjo on September 11, 2017, 05:43:07 PM
I think most of us can agree that the first symphonies of Brahms, Beethoven, Mahler, Elgar, Sibelius, Walton, Barber, and Nielsen are highly accomplished. I'll add five lesser-known examples:

Martinu
Atterberg
Berwald
Bernstein (well-represented on record but hardly ever played in the concert hall)
Casella

Honorable mentions: Roussel, Tippett, Scriabin, Kalinnikov, Rorem, Gordon Jacob

This.  I pretty much agree entirely with kyjo except I haven't heard Berwald or Roussel No. 1 so will have to check it out.  I have performed the Kalinnikov.  Interesting choice,  Very fine and ambitious work of the Tchaikovsky mold.  Audience and orchestra loved it.  It's a bit tough endurance wise but no worse than any of the brassy Tchaikovsky works are. 

I would switch Halvor Haug's No. 1 for Berwald with the caveat that I haven't heard Berwald.   :)

kyjo

Quote from: relm1 on August 17, 2018, 03:50:58 PM
This.  I pretty much agree entirely with kyjo except I haven't heard Berwald or Roussel No. 1 so will have to check it out.  I have performed the Kalinnikov.  Interesting choice,  Very fine and ambitious work of the Tchaikovsky mold.  Audience and orchestra loved it.  It's a bit tough endurance wise but no worse than any of the brassy Tchaikovsky works are. 

I would switch Halvor Haug's No. 1 for Berwald with the caveat that I haven't heard Berwald.   :)

I'm sure you'd enjoy the Berwald and Roussel 1sts. I'll have to check out the Halvor Haug; I have a friend who thinks highly of his music. Regarding Kalinnikov, I've come to prefer his 2nd Symphony over his 1st, though I still love the 1st. The 2nd is a work of extraordinary melodic invention worthy of Tchaikovsky but without the more famous composer's occasional repetitiousness and bombast.
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Mirror Image

Let's see...(in no particular order):

Nielsen
Brahms
Martinů
Tubin
Dvořák (I've always loved this symphony and never understood/agreed with the criticism of it)

kyjo

Quote from: Mirror Image on August 19, 2018, 05:16:24 PM
Let's see...(in no particular order):

Nielsen
Brahms
Martinů
Tubin
Dvořák (I've always loved this symphony and never understood/agreed with the criticism of it)

Interesting choices, John! I'll have to give the Dvořák another listen - I remember liking the third movement but finding the work as a whole rather overlong for its material. Then again, my admiration for Dvořák is constantly growing, so I'll probably like it better the second time around.  :)
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

TheGSMoeller

Vaughan Williams A Sea Symphony - perhaps not a consensus favorite of RVW, but I find it extremely bold for a 1st symphony.
Berlioz fantastique.
Schnittke

These are the three that popped into my head right away.

kyjo

I'm shamelessly extending my list to 10 because there are just so many fine first symphonies out there:

Atterberg
Bax
Borodin (why does this piece never get mentioned, it's fantastic!)
Casella
Dutilleux
Elgar
Rachmaninoff
Sibelius
Suk
Walton

Runner-ups: Andreae (F major), Barber, Braga Santos, Bloch (C# minor), Martinu, Nielsen
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Cato

Quote from: Cato on July 21, 2017, 11:44:28 AM
Speaking of Brahms. and Mahler...


Bruckner

Hans Rott


Others not yet mentioned (I think) from more recent years...

Karl Amadeus Hartmann

Bernard Herrmann

Zoltan Kodaly

Vyacheslav Ovchinnikov

Karl Henning



Quote from: Cato on July 21, 2017, 02:40:38 PM

Thanks to YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/v/nfemhSHDlrY&t=657s

and

https://www.youtube.com/v/MUZuhU87yiU



Have 4 years gone by?  After visiting the Kodaly topic this week and mentioning his only Symphony (1961), I kept thinking that I had already mentioned it somewhere on GMG!


Today allow me to recommend another "first and only" Symphony and this particular performance:

The Chausson  Symphony conducted by Charles Munch with the Boston Symphony.

https://www.youtube.com/v/bM3deZ3U9io
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Brian

Quote from: Brian on July 21, 2017, 08:49:12 AM
My list would likely be:

Haydn
Berlioz (cheating?)
Schumann (if Berlioz is cheating)
Mahler
Roussel
H. Brian

Honorable mention: Niels W. Gade
Four years on, my list now would be:

Berlioz
Walton
Mahler
Nielsen
Prokofiev

The "next five": Langgaard, Tchaikovsky, Barber, Roussel, Schumann (the original version of the Fourth Symphony is his first)

Karl Henning

Quote from: Brian on June 10, 2021, 08:47:01 AM
Four years on, my list now would be:

Berlioz
Walton
Mahler
Nielsen
Prokofiev

The "next five": Langgaard, Tchaikovsky, Barber, Roussel, Schumann (the original version of the Fourth Symphony is his first)

Nice!
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LKB

In no particular order, and probably surprising nobody:

Beethoven
Mahler
Brahms
Vaughan Williams
Berlioz
Mit Flügeln, die ich mir errungen...

Brahmsian

Not sure if these are the finest, but they are favourites:

Franck
Dvořák
Mahler
Schumann (Spring)
Kalinnikov

Brahmsian

Quote from: OrchestralNut on June 10, 2021, 12:17:27 PM
Not sure if these are the finest, but they are favourites:

Franck
Dvořák
Mahler
Schumann (Spring)
Kalinnikov

I totally forgot about Rachmaninov's, thus I would have to take out Schumann's or Kalinnikov's.

Honorable mention of Vaughan Williams 1 clocking in as about the 89,573rd favourite.

Brian

Quote from: OrchestralNut on June 10, 2021, 12:17:27 PM
Franck
aw man, good one.
I eliminated "only one symphony" composers just to make it easier to choose  ;D

Brahmsian

Quote from: Brian on June 10, 2021, 12:53:23 PM
aw man, good one.
I eliminated "only one symphony" composers just to make it easier to choose  ;D

Probably my favourite of the lot.

Mirror Image

Quote from: Mirror Image on August 19, 2018, 05:16:24 PM
Let's see...(in no particular order):

Nielsen
Brahms
Martinů
Tubin
Dvořák (I've always loved this symphony and never understood/agreed with the criticism of it)

Upon further reflection, I'd substitute the Brahms with Roussel. I love the other symphonies, so I'll just leave it. I'm not too enamored with Mahler's 1st or I'd definitely would have chosen it. The same goes for Bruckner.

Symphonic Addict

Sibelius (I'm choosing the E minor, but I'm not sure if Kullervo counts like his genuine first)
Walton
Langgaard
Rubbra
Lutoslawski

Then: Nielsen, Arnold, Weingartner, Melartin, Glazunov
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Florestan

Quote from: Florestan on July 21, 2017, 11:32:36 AM
Haydn
Schumann
Tchaikovsky
Mahler
Sibelius


My current list,. four years later: substitute Mozart for Haydn, all others remain.
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