Coronavirus thread

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If you're willing to blame one guy for all the deaths will you credit him for those who didn't get it or those who did but recovered? (Supposedly less than one percent die from COVID-19 now.)

However, if he shuts down everything he wrecks the economy sooner than later and his critics will fault him for it because that's how polarized our politics is now. The Left campaigns on "it's the economy stupid" or it's "look at all those dead people!" The fact that state and local governments had an impact and made critical decisions isn't relevant as the fact of federalism is hardly relevant anymore, especially in an election year. 

Anyhoo, you might want to examine the actions from the federal and various state and local governments and apply a little judicious criticism or praise for the handling of the virus. Blaming or criticizing one person for everything is unfair. Just a thought.

The economy wouldn't have tanked had he implemented better measures to ensure that the virus didn't spread. You ever hear of an executive order? Anyway, I find it fascinating how people, like yourself, will defend his actions or, in this case, his inaction and quickly move on to prove some kind of political point that was irrelevant to the point I was making. The point being is he had advance knowledge of the virus and did nothing about it --- in fact, he fluffed it off like it wasn't a big deal. Well, now look at our current situation. Would we be in our current situation had those measures I mentioned in my post above been implemented? And, also, I never mentioned anything about shutting down the economy. Grocery stores, pharmacies and clinics/hospitals would be left open. The fact is Trump pushed for the economy to open back up too soon like he could flick a light switch and the virus would be gone. Now, he's pushing for schools to open back up, is he out of his mind? You want a COVID party? Go open up a school and tell all the kids they have to be there and see what happens.

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What a distortion of facts and a false scenario to drum up as much fear as possible. Here are the numbers, according to Johns Hopkins for the US:

41,002,876 have been tested.

3,361,042 are confirmed.

135,582 deaths.

So, you can see that most Americans don't have it (roughly 38 million out of the 41 million tested). Recovery only applies to those infected, not a percentage of the entire US population. Not saying there aren't real side effects from infection but age and pre-existing conditions have the most impact usually for those patients with them, the ones we should be prioritizing. If wrecking an entire economy is your way of doing that, we'll have to disagree.

No distortion whatsoever. FYI, most medical experts agree that there are 10 cases for every positive test. In addition, the numbers used are based on the actual ratios of deaths to disabilities. We would certainly like to believe that not everyone is going to get it, so yes, this is a worst-case scenario. However, I would certainly appreciate it if you would enlighten me about what will STOP everyone from eventually getting it? It hasn't been slowed or stopped yet, and we are doing (mostly) nothing to change that. Florida had more than 15,000 new cases yesterday. Using the number we both agree on (1% death rate), that's 150 (153, actually) who are going to die in a few weeks. So let's not even count the disabled ones. Screw 'em.

Could we stop it if we had some leadership? Spain, and even Italy did. In fact, every country except us has.

I'm not even talking about T***p, here, how about Ted F**king Cruz hopping on an American Airlines plane yesterday and refusing to put on a mask. How about those 125 people who were at his mercy if he actually has it? What kind of leadership is that? It's no wonder we can't get a trend in the right direction on this: the only ones doing the right thing are the freaking Libtards, and who wants to do what they do? It wouldn't be the American Way!

Damn right we'll have to disagree. This is not a political thing. Is the virus taking sides? T***p says the virus is making him look bad. Dude, you ARE bad! 

Frankly I'm getting sick of this shit. I retired 7 months ago and have been off my property 3 times since then. And all because a significant cadre of assholes can't get their stuff all in one pile. We love to speak well of ourselves, but actions at a time like this speak a hell of a lot louder than words.

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No distortion whatsoever. FYI, most medical experts agree that there are 10 cases for every positive test. In addition, the numbers used are based on the actual ratios of deaths to disabilities. We would certainly like to believe that not everyone is going to get it, so yes, this is a worst-case scenario. However, I would certainly appreciate it if you would enlighten me about what will STOP everyone from eventually getting it? It hasn't been slowed or stopped yet, and we are doing (mostly) nothing to change that. Florida had more than 15,000 new cases yesterday. Using the number we both agree on (1% death rate), that's 150 (153, actually) who are going to die in a few weeks. So let's not even count the disabled ones. Screw 'em.

Could we stop it if we had some leadership? Spain, and even Italy did. In fact, every country except us has.

I'm not even talking about T***p, here, how about Ted F**king Cruz hopping on an American Airlines plane yesterday and refusing to put on a mask. How about those 125 people who were at his mercy if he actually has it? What kind of leadership is that? It's no wonder we can't get a trend in the right direction on this: the only ones doing the right thing are the freaking Libtards, and who wants to do what they do? It wouldn't be the American Way!

Damn right we'll have to disagree. This is not a political thing. Is the virus taking sides? T***p says the virus is making him look bad. Dude, you ARE bad! 

Frankly I'm getting sick of this shit. I retired 7 months ago and have been off my property 3 times since then. And all because a significant cadre of assholes can't get their stuff all in one pile. We love to speak well of ourselves, but actions at a time like this speak a hell of a lot louder than words.

Can I get an amen? AMEN!!! Well said, sir.

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What a distortion of facts and a false scenario to drum up as much fear as possible. Here are the numbers, according to Johns Hopkins for the US:

41,002,876 have been tested.

3,361,042 are confirmed.

135,582 deaths.

So, you can see that most Americans don't have it (roughly 38 million out of the 41 million tested). Recovery only applies to those infected, not a percentage of the entire US population. Not saying there aren't real side effects from infection but age and pre-existing conditions have the most impact usually for those patients with them, the ones we should be prioritizing. If wrecking an entire economy is your way of doing that, we'll have to disagree.

I was going to respond to this inane remark but I really do not have to.  There have been some excellent responses.

I will make an observation my wife made.  The main people who are in danger if we prematurely reopen the schools are the teachers.  A child may be a carrier who will infect others who are at risk.

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It isn't realistic or fair, to blame all 135K deaths on Trump. But it is both realistic and fair to own that thousands of Americans now dead would probably not have died, but for Trump's criminal negligence and incompetence.

As an outsider this rings pretty true to me. There is IMO enough incompetence and poor leadership over here (UK) but not, perhaps, quite at this level.

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It isn't realistic or fair, to blame all 135K deaths on Trump. But it is both realistic and fair to own that thousands of Americans now dead would probably not have died, but for Trump's criminal negligence and incompetence.

It is not just Trump.  The millions of Americans who still think this a hoax or they are immune are equally responsible.

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It is not just Trump.  The millions of Americans who still hink this a hoax or they are immune are equally responsible.

Good point though depressing.

[Herman]

It is not just Trump.  The millions of Americans who still hink this a hoax or they are immune are equally responsible.

Part of a president's thankless job is telling people the truth in times of emergency.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

I have decided to continue my self-quarantine as the county I live in has 3,813 cases. The surrounding counties, which are closer to Atlanta definitely aren't improving either.

How are things re your job?  Are they pressuring you to return? And also, have they opened up things at all in Georgia only to be shutting them down gain?

Stay safe!

PD

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How are things re your job?  Are they pressuring you to return? And also, have they opened up things at all in Georgia only to be shutting them down gain?

Stay safe!

PD

The company I have to go through in order to get a leave of absence has given me until August 3rd and then they said after this date they can no longer approve the absences. But, in all honesty, I don't really care. I'm looking out for my family and myself. It's really upsetting that there are people that have to go to work because they simply can't afford to not have an income. Those stimulus checks we all received were a complete joke. Anyway, if I lose my job, I'll just file for unemployment. I'm not too worried about it as I'm doing exactly what I believe I should be doing.

As far as Georgia reopening up stores and so forth, I suppose they are. I haven't really been anywhere except for my local grocery store since late March. I keep hearing things in the news how businesses are reopening only to go back to closing up because one of their employees had tested positive for COVID. It's just a huge gamble and, as I've mentioned previously, I think it was way too soon. How are things going on your end, PD?

[Pohjolas Daughter]

The company I have to go through in order to get a leave of absence has given me until August 3rd and then they said after this date they can no longer approve the absences. But, in all honesty, I don't really care. I'm looking out for my family and myself. It's really upsetting that there are people that have to go to work because they simply can't afford to not have an income. Those stimulus checks we all received were a complete joke. Anyway, if I lose my job, I'll just file for unemployment. I'm not too worried about it as I'm doing exactly what I believe I should be doing.

As far as Georgia reopening up stores and so forth, I suppose they are. I haven't really been anywhere except for my local grocery store since late March. I keep hearing things in the news how businesses are reopening only to go back to closing up because one of their employees had tested positive for COVID. It's just a huge gamble and, as I've mentioned previously, I think it was way too soon. How are things going on your end, PD?

Pretty well here.  Like you, I don't venture forth much...do need to get back to walking and hiking more though (presuming I can do so without running into people).  Thoughts of biking too are tempting me (that and a few pounds gained during all this!  ).  I have been into a couple of places besides grocery stores.  Most everyone around here is good about sanitizing their hands and trying to keep distanced and using masks.  Went to one doctor's appointment and that went fine; I waited outside in truck and they called me when they were ready (they did have some people in their waiting room.  I just arrived there awfully early.).  Gardening is keeping me busy (trying to keep up with weeding and watering of vegetables).  Rates are low around where I live, so not paranoid but still trying to be sensible.     So, to sum it up, I'm lucky!

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Gardening is great these days ... I helped fixing an overgrown garden, and walking the dog of the house etc., for almost a week recently, while the owners were abroad on a holiday. It was nice to see some quick results of that garden work, respecting of course the lay-out and design that was already there ...'

In today's news:
French health workers getting a pay rise of almost 200 Euros per month, thanking them for their efforts during the crisis
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53398208

We need more of that way of looking at things.

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Pretty well here.  Like you, I don't venture forth much...do need to get back to walking and hiking more though (presuming I can do so without running into people).  Thoughts of biking too are tempting me (that and a few pounds gained during all this!  ).  I have been into a couple of places besides grocery stores.  Most everyone around here is good about sanitizing their hands and trying to keep distanced and using masks.  Went to one doctor's appointment and that went fine; I waited outside in truck and they called me when they were ready (they did have some people in their waiting room.  I just arrived there awfully early.).  Gardening is keeping me busy (trying to keep up with weeding and watering of vegetables).  Rates are low around where I live, so not paranoid but still trying to be sensible.     So, to sum it up, I'm lucky!

Very good to read, PD. Stay well!

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Gardening is great these days ... I helped fixing an overgrown garden, and walking the dog of the house etc., for almost a week recently, while the owners were abroad on a holiday. It was nice to see some quick results of that garden work, respecting of course the lay-out and design that was already there ...'

In today's news:
French health workers getting a pay rise of almost 200 Euros per month, thanking them for their efforts during the crisis
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53398208

We need more of that way of looking at things.

MT,

Wow!  Bet that they appreciated all of your help!  And somebody went on holiday?!  Was it someplace inside Denmark?  Or did they dare to venture further?

And nice to hear about a pay raise for the French healthcare workers.

Very good to read, PD. Stay well!

Will try...thanks!

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MT,

Wow!  Bet that they appreciated all of your help!  And somebody went on holiday?!  Was it someplace inside Denmark?  Or did they dare to venture further?

And nice to hear about a pay raise for the French healthcare workers.Will try...thanks!

They went to France, needed a vacation, in a car. It was no longer warned against by our government. Me and my mother then took over at their house . But it was quite nice, with the garden and walks with the dog by the local fjord, plus a few excursions such as to Selsø castle, Elsinore and Roskilde town, as a contrast to the big city here.

Do you grow vegetables/fruits, or is it mainly flowers/greenery?

[Pohjolas Daughter]

They went to France, needed a vacation, in a car. It was no longer warned against by our government. Me and my mother then took over at their house . But it was quite nice, with the garden and walks with the dog by the local fjord, plus a few excursions such as to Selsø castle, Elsinore and Roskilde town, as a contrast to the big city here.

Do you grow vegetables/fruits, or is it mainly flowers/greenery?

Nice!

I have a mixture...a fair bit of perennials, a few trees...lots of it is sunny.  My veggie garden is really vegetables (not getting into botanical quibbles about what is really a fruit...like tomatoes).  I probably should have planted some fruit bushes/trees vs. the prima donnas, aka rose bushes, but they do look and smell so pretty when they bloom.    Would love to find room for things like strawberry plants and blueberry bushes...an asparagus bed, etc.  Oh, and a fairly good assortment of herbs:  basil (several types), flat-leaf parsley, tarragon, oregano, marjoram, sage, rosemary, thyme, a small lavender plant, lemon verbena...think that I got everybody there? 

PD

[Karl Henning]

The obituary section of The Houston Chronicle this past Sunday was 43 pp. and required separate binding.

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Nice!

I have a mixture...a fair bit of perennials, a few trees...lots of it is sunny.  My veggie garden is really vegetables (not getting into botanical quibbles about what is really a fruit...like tomatoes).  I probably should have planted some fruit bushes/trees vs. the prima donnas, aka rose bushes, but they do look and smell so pretty when they bloom.    Would love to find room for things like strawberry plants and blueberry bushes...an asparagus bed, etc.  Oh, and a fairly good assortment of herbs:  basil (several types), flat-leaf parsley, tarragon, oregano, marjoram, sage, rosemary, thyme, a small lavender plant, lemon verbena...think that I got everybody there? 

PD

Well, it must be nice, harvesting one's own stuff and seeing it grow. My mother was able to make a little jam from berries and rhubarbs there, but it's a little early for apples etc. here. Roses were in full blossom, of course. Herbs are great, and one can use space-saving pots, obviously. We even have a supermarket chain now, that has begun cultivating some inside their shops ...

[Pohjolas Daughter]

The obituary section of The Houston Chronicle this past Sunday was 43 pp. and required separate binding.

Hi Karl,

I looked into that a bit and found a Newsweek article.  It's a bit more complicated than that apparently.  According to the article, it's for all this year (so far) and also includes non-Covid deaths.  https://www.newsweek.com/texas-newspaper-prints-43-page-obituary-section-coronavirus-deaths-soar-1517297  It's thought that it was to help people grieve when they couldn't attend a normal funeral.

Do you know anything further/elsewise?

Best wishes,

PD

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Well, it must be nice, harvesting one's own stuff and seeing it grow. My mother was able to make a little jam from berries and rhubarbs there, but it's a little early for apples etc. here. Roses were in full blossom, of course. Herbs are great, and one can use space-saving pots, obviously. We even have a supermarket chain now, that has begun cultivating some inside their shops ...

It is for the most part...don't always enjoy all of the weeding, watering, bug squishing (and sometimes spraying)....and dealing with little animals that like to chew on my tomatoes just as they are ripening.     Emoji was re animals.  Nice to be able to share it and know that with some 'help from above'/Mother Nature I managed to grow it.   

Neat that they are growing and selling plants in the market!  Cool.

Best wishes and stay safe,

PD