Coronavirus thread

[prémont]

Good job!

Or good jab!

TD:
I got my second Pfizer jab to day.

[Karl Henning]

Or good jab!

TD:
I got my second Pfizer jab to day.

Superb!

[DavidW]

I would hope so.  And I hope that those that think that the vaccine is not safe will see with the overwhelming number of people taking it with no significant side effects... that these vaccines are safe.

btw the other day I read an article in the WSJ which points to the general populace being much more willing to be vaccinated now than in January.

[Florestan]

btw the other day I read an article in the WSJ which points to the general populace being much more willing to be vaccinated now than in January.

An acquaintance of mine told me recently: I'd take even the Sputnik or Sinovac vaccine, I don't care, I just want to be able to travel as soon as possible. 

BTW, what's the level of Covid and Covid-vaccines conspiracy theory in your countries, ladies and gentlemen? Unfortunately, in Romania it's rather high and although the restrictions are among the least draconian in the whole Europe, protests take place every night, chanting "Freedom! Freedom!". Just the other night, one of the leaders of the protests was asked by a clever lady journalist live on TV: "okay, let's suppose that the Romanian government tell Romanian citizens they are free to go wherever they want without any restriction whatsoever; where would you go actually, as all countries in Europe ask either for vaccine, or for negative PCR test, or for antibodies test, or will simply quarantine you for two weeks on your own expenses?" The guy answered without as much as teh blinking of an eye: "It doesn't matter we can't go in practice, all that matters is that we could go in theory." The same lady asked a MP from a nationalist party: "Are you going to tell me that all the governments have gone mad inventing this pandemia, that thw whole world has gone mad?" and the guy replied "That's exactly what I claim!" to which she said "Yeah, right, the whole world has gone mad, only you (plural implying their whole bunch) have kept your sanity!" Well done, Marinela, brava! (that''s her first name).

[André]

I don't know if worldwide but there is a reluctance, a lack of trust, of the black community in the UK to be vaccinated. Something I admit not understanding not least because for many reasons they are most at risk. This is seen as a threat to the successful beating of Covid so possibly the most famous black man in the entertainment industry here, Sir Lenny Henry, has put a short video together with his mates to be shown on national TV. Lenny Henry is a funny guy and the last line did make me laugh.

  https://youtu.be/qb_7IkDnulo

There is genuine reluctance from the Black community among others. Last week a highly respected doctor of haitian origin received her shot publicly (local journalists and cameras) to show her community it is safe to get it. She specifically referred to past episodes of medical racism such as the Tuskegee experiments to explain why Blacks harbour doubts and misconceptions over vaccines.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-some-black-and-latinx-people-are-reluctant-to-get-the-covid-19-vaccine#From-Tuskegee-to-now:-A-complex-history-of-medical-racism

[prémont]

I and my wife got vaccinated by natural way --- ie, we had Covid-19.

All's well that ends well.

According to the general recommendations you do well to get a vaccine too, even if you have had COVID 19, because the vaccines induce a better and maybe also longer lasting immune response than the disease.

[Florestan]

According to the general recommendations you do well to get a vaccine too, even if you have had COVID 19, because the vaccines induce a better and maybe also longer lasting immune response than the disease.

AFAIK, we must wait 3 months after recovery before getting a vaccine. Is this correct or just rumour?

[Biffo]

AFAIK, we must wait 3 months after recovery before getting a vaccine. Is this correct or just rumour?

This is from the CDC website -

'If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine'

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

[prémont]

AFAIK, we must wait 3 months after recovery before getting a vaccine. Is this correct or just rumour?

In our country at least four weeks should pass after recovery. I do not know what other countries do.

[prémont]

This is from the CDC website -

'If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine'

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

Yes, but Andrei didn't get any treatment of that kind, so this doesn't apply to him.

[Irons]

There is genuine reluctance from the Black community among others. Last week a highly respected doctor of haitian origin received her shot publicly (local journalists and cameras) to show her community it is safe to get it. She specifically referred to past episodes of medical racism such as the Tuskegee experiments to explain why Blacks harbour doubts and misconceptions over vaccines.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-some-black-and-latinx-people-are-reluctant-to-get-the-covid-19-vaccine#From-Tuskegee-to-now:-A-complex-history-of-medical-racism

Interesting. I realise racism takes many forms but medical racism is a new one for me. I would like to think we are all in it together.

[Karl Henning]

AFAIK, we must wait 3 months after recovery before getting a vaccine. Is this correct or just rumour?

You may be right. My sister had an infusion of antibodies, and she must wait 90 days.

[Florestan]

This is from the CDC website -

'If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine'

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

Thanks.

I took Ibuprofen (only if feverish) and for five days an antibiotics (one per day) whose name I can't remember otoh. That was all.

[Biffo]

Yes, but Andrei didn't get any treatment of that kind, so this doesn't apply to him.

OK, I suppose he should still see a doctor.

[Florestan]

I'm not a physician but my impression is that if you got the disease proper and recovered quickly without any grave symptoms, you would/could develop a better, and possibly longer, antibodies defense than what you'd got from a vaccine (ie, a "tamed" version of this effing bloody virus). I might be wrong though.

[Florestan]

medical racism is a new one for me.

Eugenics is older than a century.

[Harry]

According to the general recommendations you do well to get a vaccine too, even if you have had COVID 19, because the vaccines induce a better and maybe also longer lasting immune response than the disease.

The general rule is 90 days between the Covid infection, and getting a vaccin.

[prémont]

I'm not a physician but my impression is that if you got the disease proper and recovered quickly without any grave symptoms, you would/could develop a better, and possibly longer, antibodies defense than what you'd got from a vaccine (ie, a "tamed" version of this effing bloody virus). I might be wrong though.

You are wrong. As I wrote above: The disease evokes a weaker immune response than the vaccines. When the disease runs a mild course the immune response is moreover weaker than when the disease runs a more grave course. The duration of relative immunity after infection is said to be at least 6 months, and somewhat longer (the last I read was two years - I wonder how one can say that) after vaccination.

And the immunity after the disease or vaccination is always relative. It doesn't ensure that you don't get infected again (even with the same strain of virus), but it gives a reasonable probability, that the disease the second time runs a milder course, even if you also will be contagious again.

[prémont]

The general rule is 90 days between the Covid infection, and getting a vaccin.

Not in my country, as I wrote above. Here the authorities say at least four weeks, if you didn't get any specific treatement against the Covid19.

[Florestan]

The disease evokes a weaker immune response than the vaccines.

Why?

Look, I'm not a virologist, I'm an engineer. By engineering logic, it jiust doesn't look right to me that something which is naturally genuine and wild evokes a weaker response than something which is laboratory manipulated and tamed.