Coronavirus thread

[prémont]

You know that how? There's no way to tell that unless you have access to their medical records and interview their doctors.

Statens Seruminstitut made an investigation about a year ago, studying a large number of journals, and their conclusion was - as far as I recall - that covid was the decisive death factor in 90 % of cases.

But be it as it may, do you have any similar statistics regarding common flu?

It was rapported that we had as well as no influenza last winter. Dont recall the exact figures, but I think less than 100 rapported cases.

Of course it did. My point is, how many lockdowns did Denmark had prior to 2020?

None, as far as I know. You can say, that the prevention of influenza has been too careless, and many Danes will agree with you.

[Florestan]

Statens Seruminstitut made an investigation about a year ago, studying a large number of journals, and their conclusion was - as far as I recall - that covid was the decisive death factor in 90 % of cases.

Is there any such investigation prior to 2020? I mean, you admitted that inf,uenza can kill people with commorbidities. Are you aware of any Statens Seruminstitut investigation in this respet?

It was rapported that we had as well as no influenza last winter. Dont recall the exact figures, but I think less than 100 rapported cases.

And do you really believe that?

I mean, how many cases of influenza did you have in the 2019 -2020 winter season? Amd how on earth are you supposed to believe that in the 2020-2021 winter season you had basically no influenza cases? Whatever caused this dramatic drop?

None, as far as I know. You can say, that the prevention of influenza has been too careless, and many Danes will agree with you.
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[prémont]

Isn't this a clear case of infectious diseases fighting each other?  Are we supposed to believe that influenza was much milder in 2020 and 2021 just out of the blue air?

Yes, influenza was milder these years because the corona-restrictions also prevented influenza.

[Florestan]

None, as far as I know. You can say, that the prevention of influenza has been too careless, and many Danes will agree with you.

If and only if you mean that many Danes are of the opinion that inluenza should be fought by lockdowns and restrictions, then I say that many Danes have lost their minds.

[Florestan]

Yes, influenza was milder these years because the corona-restrictions also prevented influenza.

Then let's get all countries in permanent lockdown --- this way there will be no more flu, smallpox or whatever infectious disease you can think of.

Oh, btw, why should we be asked only for anti-Covid vaccination? Why Is it okay if I go to work with flu or smallpox but not with Covid?

[Florestan]

There is a little chance that the third jap has a tad longer lasting effect. We can hope.

Chance (little for that matter) and hope. That's not trustful science if you ask me.

[prémont]

I mean, how many cases of influenza did you have in the 2019 -2020 winter season? Amd how on earth are you supposed to believe that in the 2020-2021 winter season you had basically no influenza cases? Whatever caused this dramatic drop?

An excess mortality of 751 people was experienced in the influenza season 2016/17, 2,822 people in 2017/18 and 790 people in 2018/19, but only 117 in 2019/20. It seems as if the results for 2020/21 are pending, but we were more times told, that influenza was rather rare in this years season.

[prémont]

If and only if you mean that many Danes are of the opinion that inluenza should be fought by lockdowns and restrictions, then I say that many Danes have lost their minds.

Of course not lockdowns, but maybe face masks in public transport and that kind of things.

[Florestan]

An excess mortality of 751 people was experienced in the influenza season 2016/17, 2,822 people in 2017/18 and 790 people in 2018/19, but only 117 in 2019/20. It seems as if the results for 2020/21 are pending, but we were more times told, that influenza was rather rare in this years season.

You were told... Do you really believe everything you are told?

[prémont]

Oh, btw, why should we be asked only for anti-Covid vaccination? Why Is it okay if I go to work with flu or smallpox but not with Covid?

It isn't OK, but many people think they display some kind of heroism by doing so. I can honestly say that I never went to work (or further back in time to school) when ill with an infectious disease. 

[Florestan]

Of course not lockdowns, but maybe face masks in public transport and that kind of things.

Come on, my friend --- if I can call you that...

Were it not for the Covid-19 pandemic you'd have never ever thought about wearing a mask in public transport.

Have you never ever got into public transport knowing that you are with flu and not wearing a mask?

[prémont]

You were told... Do you really believe everything you are told?

Yes, when it is told by the leader of the Danish health authorities at an official press-conference I believe it.

[Florestan]

It isn't OK, but many people think they display some kind of heroism by doing so.

Virtue signalling, then --- thanks for admitting that much.

I can honestly say that I never went to work (or further back in time to school) when ill with an infectious disease.

What did you do then? Took a sick leave every time you had a running nose, cough and fever?

[Florestan]

Yes, when it is told by the leader of the Danish health authorities at an official press-conference I believe it.

Okay. It must be the case that the Danish government or health authorities have never ever lied to, or duped, the Danish people. Good for you and your government. However, this is not the case of Romanian government or health authorities. They have repeatedly lied to, or duped, the Romanian people --- and not only with respect to the pandemics.

[prémont]

Come on, my friend --- if I can call you

Your decision.

Were it not for the Covid-19 pandemic you'd have never ever thought about wearing a mask in public transport.

Probably right.

Have you never ever got into public transport knowing that you are with flu and not wearing a mask?

No. If I have felt ill in that way, I have stayed at home. In one single instance forty years ago I have visited a local grocery, because I had no food at home and nobody to help me, but I told them I was ill and kept distance. I know very well how contagious diseases are transmitted. In another instance having caught a heavy cold, my chief doctor asked me to talk with patients while using a face mask, but I refused.

[Karl Henning]

No. If I have felt ill in that way, I have stayed at home.

Of course. I would have done the same. Many workers in the US do not have employers who would encourage them to stay home under those circs. It's a rare employer in the US to take the enlightened self-interest in the health of its employees.

[Florestan]

Your decision.

You're my friend then --- and I'm proud to call you such.

[prémont]

Virtue signalling, then --- thanks for admitting that much.

What did you do then? Took a sick leave every time you had a running nose, cough and fever?

Yes, and not always a popular decision. In average I have had 15 - 20 days sick leave per. year.

[prémont]

Of course. I would have done the same. Many workers in the US do not have employers who would encourage them to stay home under those circs. It's a rare employer in the US to take the enlightened self-interest in the health of its employees.

Yes, I have been lucky to have that option, even if sometimes unpopular. But I think we ourselves have the obligation in the health sector to observe the advices we give the patients.

[bhodges]

Pausing this thread for a moment.

Gentlemen, please return to listening to (and talking about) music. It will make the world a better place.

Thank you.

--Bruce