Sir Arthur Bliss

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vandermolen

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Quote from: relm1 on November 12, 2022, 05:32:42 AM
Is the Groves the one with Brian Blessed?  I forget which one I have but remember Brian Blessed is the narrator.
Oh nooooooo  :) (as has been pointed out already)
Blessed is completely OTT. However, otherwise, Kibblewhite's Cala performance is excellent.
This is the one to have (also in the Charles Groves boxed set)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

relm1

Quote from: vandermolen on November 12, 2022, 12:12:28 PM
Oh nooooooo  :) (as has been pointed out already)
Blessed is completely OTT. However, otherwise, Kibblewhite's Cala performance is excellent.
This is the one to have (also in the Charles Groves boxed set)

Ok thanks!  I think I might have both!  I have a lot of CD's and they aren't well organized (stacked) so not easy to know! 

Lisztianwagner

Quote from: vandermolen on November 11, 2022, 11:55:17 PM
My pleasure. Try to hear the Groves version of 'Morning Heroes' - I prefer it to the Davis performance, especially at the climax of the last movement which is comparatively puny under Davis.
Quote from: Roasted Swan on November 12, 2022, 02:28:12 AM
Yup!
Davis' recording sounded very fine to me, but it's true that I don't know other versions to compare; thank you, then I'll try the Groves too.
"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg

vandermolen

Quote from: relm1 on November 12, 2022, 03:41:05 PM
Ok thanks!  I think I might have both!  I have a lot of CD's and they aren't well organized (stacked) so not easy to know!
I'm sure that they are better organised than mine are!  ;D
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on November 12, 2022, 03:47:43 PM
Davis' recording sounded very fine to me, but it's true that I don't know other versions to compare; thank you, then I'll try the Groves too.
Davis's recording is fine in many respects but, for me, he retrospectively ruins it at the end. The return of the canon fire (timpani) over the Somme is, for me, the most moving moment in 'Morning Heroes' but it barely registers in Davis's performance (a complete misjudgement IMO). Groves and Kibblewhite make much more of that spine-tingling episode. The Davis has a v good filler 'Hymn to Apollo' with an interesting analysis in the notes, suggesting that Bliss was still suffering from survivor's guilt (his much-loved brother Kennard had been killed in the First World War but Bliss had survived) and the Hymn to Apollo is an appeal for forgiveness - interesting!
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Albion

I fell onto another tower of CDs which unearthed a load of Arthur Bliss including all the ballets (I'd completely forgotten that I had two versions of "The Lady of Shalott" on Carlton and Dutton), recorded orchestral music (mainly Naxos, EMI and Lyrita), minus the "Edinburgh Overture", and Andrew Davis' three choral discs for Chandos. I have no problems with Davis in Bliss and wish that he'd record the "Golden Cantata" and "Tobias and the Angel" (I've tried to find the Pristine Audio release of the latter without success, and I don't want a bloody download from Amazon)...
A piece is worth your attention, and is itself for you praiseworthy, if it makes you feel you have not wasted your time over it. (SG, 1922)

vandermolen

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Quote from: Albion on April 24, 2023, 05:21:23 PMI fell onto another tower of CDs which unearthed a load of Arthur Bliss including all the ballets (I'd completely forgotten that I had two versions of "The Lady of Shalott" on Carlton and Dutton), recorded orchestral music (mainly Naxos, EMI and Lyrita), minus the "Edinburgh Overture", and Andrew Davis' three choral discs for Chandos. I have no problems with Davis in Bliss and wish that he'd record the "Golden Cantata" and "Tobias and the Angel" (I've tried to find the Pristine Audio release of the latter without success, and I don't want a bloody download from Amazon)...
Do you have an emergency action plan for extracting yourself from under a pile of CDs? ;D
I also have both those versions of the Lady of Shalott. I like the Churchill tribute piece on the Dutton CD (also on an old Unicorn one with the Piano Concerto). Did you see the charming TV documentary about the first performance of the ballet (featuring young dancers from a ballet school)? Bliss himself features although sadly he died before the performance although Lady Bliss was in attendance. I'll see if I can find the link.

Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1sVp8yATww
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Albion

Quote from: vandermolen on April 24, 2023, 11:32:07 PMDo you have an emergency action plan for extracting yourself from under a pile of CDs? ;D
I also have both those versions of the Lady of Shalott. I like the Churchill tribute piece on the Dutton CD (also on an old Unicorn one with the Piano Concerto). Did you see the charming TV documentary about the first performance of the ballet (featuring young dancers from a ballet school)? Bliss himself features although sadly he died before the performance although Lady Bliss was in attendance. I'll see if I can find the link.

Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1sVp8yATww

Many thanks for this. I tried to take out an insurance policy in case of CD-tower related injury, but they only did streaming and download...
A piece is worth your attention, and is itself for you praiseworthy, if it makes you feel you have not wasted your time over it. (SG, 1922)

foxandpeng

#368
Quote from: vandermolen on April 24, 2023, 11:32:07 PMDo you have an emergency action plan for extracting yourself from under a pile of CDs? ;D

Hehe.

Go digital. Always the solution 😝
"A quiet secluded life in the country, with the possibility of being useful to people ... then work which one hopes may be of some use; then rest, nature, books, music, love for one's neighbour — such is my idea of happiness"

Tolstoy

Symphonic Addict

It reminded me of this chapter of The Simpsons

Part of the tragedy of the Palestinians is that they have essentially no international support for a good reason: they've no wealth, they've no power, so they've no rights.

Noam Chomsky

Albion

Quote from: Løvfald on April 25, 2023, 05:54:22 PMIt reminded me of this chapter of The Simpsons



;D  ;D  ;D

Yep, that just about sums it up. As the towers are quite randomly mixed, unless I fall on them I've got to shunt one load of CDs to another if I can even locate what I want. I don't remember CDs being so heavy. As it is, I've assembled all my Bliss discs in one place and am now listening to the lovely Naxos disc of Music for Strings, the Cello Concerto and Two Studies. Now that David Lloyd Jones has sadly left us it's unlikely that we'll get more from Naxos, but there's plenty more for Andrew Davis to get his teeth into for Chandos...
A piece is worth your attention, and is itself for you praiseworthy, if it makes you feel you have not wasted your time over it. (SG, 1922)

W.A. Mozart

What do you think about the colour symphony?

David Lloyd-Jones conducting the English Northern Philharmonia


foxandpeng

Quote from: W.A. Mozart on May 13, 2023, 07:00:53 AMWhat do you think about the colour symphony?

David Lloyd-Jones conducting the English Northern Philharmonia


Just about the only Bliss I know well, apart from Adam Zero. I do like both but need to expand my knowledge of Bliss.
"A quiet secluded life in the country, with the possibility of being useful to people ... then work which one hopes may be of some use; then rest, nature, books, music, love for one's neighbour — such is my idea of happiness"

Tolstoy

Roasted Swan

Quote from: foxandpeng on May 13, 2023, 08:31:28 AMJust about the only Bliss I know well, apart from Adam Zero. I do like both but need to expand my knowledge of Bliss.

Great work.  But add Moringing Heroes and Checkmate and John Blow Meditations at least asap!!

Lisztianwagner

Quote from: W.A. Mozart on May 13, 2023, 07:00:53 AMWhat do you think about the colour symphony?

David Lloyd-Jones conducting the English Northern Philharmonia

It's an excellent work, I appreciate its variety of tones and nuances very much. The first movement is rather slow in rhythm, yet vivid and majestic, alternating quiet, slightly melancholic sections to others intense and grandiose, with vigorous crescendi; a great contrast with the incredibly lively, energetic, sometimes very fiery and aggressive second movement; the third part shows a gentler, calmer pace compared to the previous one, depicting a reflective, but changing atmosphere; the fourth movement is very powerful and moving, and despite the tonal structure, its beginning with a dodecaphonic series is a little gem.  ;D
"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg

foxandpeng

Quote from: Roasted Swan on May 13, 2023, 09:08:07 AMGreat work.  But add Moringing Heroes and Checkmate and John Blow Meditations at least asap!!

Thank you 😊
"A quiet secluded life in the country, with the possibility of being useful to people ... then work which one hopes may be of some use; then rest, nature, books, music, love for one's neighbour — such is my idea of happiness"

Tolstoy

W.A. Mozart

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on May 13, 2023, 10:42:52 AMits beginning with a dodecaphonic series is a little gem.  ;D

In which segment does it use dodecaphony?

Roasted Swan

Quote from: W.A. Mozart on May 13, 2023, 05:58:16 PMIn which segment does it use dodecaphony?

the theme that opens the last movement outlines all 12 semitones much in the same way Walton creates a different thematic "row" in the finale of his 2nd Symphony.  In neither case is it developed in a "serial" manner.

vandermolen

Quote from: foxandpeng on May 13, 2023, 08:31:28 AMJust about the only Bliss I know well, apart from Adam Zero. I do like both but need to expand my knowledge of Bliss.
Quote from: W.A. Mozart on May 13, 2023, 07:00:53 AMWhat do you think about the colour symphony?

David Lloyd-Jones conducting the English Northern Philharmonia

That recording features in the book 'Top 1000 Classical CDs you must hear before you die'. I like the accompanying work 'Adam Zero' as well.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

Quote from: Roasted Swan on May 13, 2023, 09:08:07 AMGreat work.  But add Moringing Heroes and Checkmate and John Blow Meditations at least asap!!
To which I'd add the lovely Clarinet Quintet, Hymn to Apollo and 'Things to Come' (suite from the film, preferably in Bliss's own arrangement).
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).