Ranking Shostakovich's "Long" Symphonies

Started by Karl Henning, November 10, 2024, 07:54:54 AM

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Karl Henning

In fact, I like them all very much, so a "ranking" for me is somewhere between Banana and Finesse. But for fun:

1. Fourth in c minor
2. Thirteenth, "Babi Yar"
3. Seventh, "Leningrad"
4. Eighth in c minor
5. Eleventh, "1905"

Notes: the Fourth is my very favorite among these. "Babi Yar" was an early love, one of the first of the symphonies (after the Fifth) that I got to know very well. I like the "Leningrad" better than the consensus, probably. All in all, though, my rankings third through fifth are pretty arbitrary (see " I like them all very much." above.)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

DavidW


Karl Henning

Quote from: DavidW on November 10, 2024, 08:31:12 AMMy ranking is 8 > 7 > 11 > 13 > 4
Interesting that you prefer 11 to 13. Say more!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Maestro267


calyptorhynchus

'Many men are melancholy by hearing music, but it is a pleasing melancholy that it causeth.' Robert Burton

Karl Henning

Quote from: calyptorhynchus on November 10, 2024, 10:46:10 AMNo one for 10

10-8-6... the rest
I was considering only the symphonies running an hour or more.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Archaic Torso of Apollo

My order of preference looks like this at the moment:

4, 8
7
13
11

I've heard all live except for 13. Basically, the more explicitly political the piece is, the less I like it. I think that holds for other composers too.

formerly VELIMIR (before that, Spitvalve)

"Who knows not strict counterpoint, lives and dies an ignoramus" - CPE Bach

DavidW

Quote from: Karl Henning on November 10, 2024, 08:51:33 AMInteresting that you prefer 11 to 13. Say more!

Fond memories of blasting the 11th on my portable cd player on my walks to the physics department in college. I didn't hear the 13th until years later and it is a more subtle work.

JBS

4
11
8
7/10/13
5/12/14

Mind you there are days I might swap 4 and 11 around, and the bottom two tiers might fluctuate considerably.

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vandermolen

#9
13 is one that I have got to know in recent years.

10
4
11
13
8
7
1

Oh, it's only the long ones - ok, here goes
11
4
8
13
7

I like 12 as well :-)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

calyptorhynchus

'Many men are melancholy by hearing music, but it is a pleasing melancholy that it causeth.' Robert Burton

Karl Henning

Quote from: calyptorhynchus on November 10, 2024, 01:13:50 PMSorry :-[
No worries! I didn't want to "penalize" you for participating .... just wanted you to know I wasn't slighting the Tenth, which is my favorite of the 15 about half the time!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

André

Great idea !

8, 11, 4, 7, 13

8 and 11 tell a story in graphic musical detail. 4, 7 and 13 reflect musically on an era and past tragedies. Well, don't take this for cash, but that's how I see them... 😁

That being said, my faves are 5, 6 and 15 closely followed by 8, 11, 4 and 7.

Nos 9, 10, 14 are also to be reckoned with.

Daverz

So choices are 4, 7, 8, 11, 13?

11 is definitely at the bottom as it rarely holds my attention throughout.  I've listened to No. 4 much more than any of the others.  The purely instrumental works will get more play here.  I find 7 enjoyable, but I'd rank it quite a bit below the others, though a tier above 11.  So ranked in four arbitrary tiers:

4, 8, 13
Nothing here
7
11


Brian

I listened to 13 (and 15!) for the first time ever in the last 18 months or so, and both of them were truly highlight-of-the-year level discoveries. I'm torn a little, mentally. Obviously I could have been listening to both of them for the last 15-16 years and was missing out all that time. But it also feels like this is the right time of life to really appreciate the works' layers of meaning: the "humor," the parody, the trauma, the hard-fought weird inner peace...

Anyway, I'm packing 8 to blast at full volume in the car later this month, so I'll report back after my road trip jam session  8)

foxandpeng

"A quiet secluded life in the country, with the possibility of being useful to people ... then work which one hopes may be of some use; then rest, nature, books, music, love for one's neighbour — such is my idea of happiness"

Tolstoy

foxandpeng

My Shostakovich symphony traversal has become somewhat derailed, so this is a helpful thread for me, thank you! Mind you, I was also supposed to be poking Bruckner in 2024, and that died on its butt...
"A quiet secluded life in the country, with the possibility of being useful to people ... then work which one hopes may be of some use; then rest, nature, books, music, love for one's neighbour — such is my idea of happiness"

Tolstoy

Karl Henning

Quote from: foxandpeng on November 13, 2024, 06:30:39 AM7
4
8
11
13

 ;D  ;D
FWIW, of these, the Eleventh took the longest to work its way into my affections. A friend of mine in San Diego heard his home orchestra play it live, and I realized, "if Peter thinks that highly of it, it must really be good."
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

foxandpeng

Quote from: Karl Henning on November 13, 2024, 06:42:22 AMFWIW, of these, the Eleventh took the longest to work its way into my affections. A friend of mine in San Diego heard his home orchestra play it live, and I realized, "if Peter thinks that highly of it, it must really be good."

That's usually my experience on here, tbh... if (insert name) thinks it is worth hearing,  then surely I should be listening to it!
"A quiet secluded life in the country, with the possibility of being useful to people ... then work which one hopes may be of some use; then rest, nature, books, music, love for one's neighbour — such is my idea of happiness"

Tolstoy

Luke

Quote from: Daverz on November 10, 2024, 06:04:52 PMSo choices are 4, 7, 8, 11, 13?

11 is definitely at the bottom as it rarely holds my attention throughout.  I've listened to No. 4 much more than any of the others.  The purely instrumental works will get more play here.  I find 7 enjoyable, but I'd rank it quite a bit below the others, though a tier above 11.  So ranked in four arbitrary tiers:

4, 8, 13
Nothing here
7
11



This is the correct answer  ;D  >:D