Coronavirus thread

[Que]

Or not! Always be positive Que

We'll see.... feel already kind of crappy. But I don't mind - it's a small inconvenience.
Will snuggle up on the couch with some good music & Netflix.

[The new erato]

Except from a slightly (and shortly) sore arm I have had no side effects from any of my 3 shots. The 3rd booster was not noticeable at all, I did my normal training regime at the gym a few hours afterwards.

Good luck to you all.

[Harry]

We'll see.... feel already kind of crappy. But I don't mind - it's a small inconvenience.
Will snuggle up on the couch with some good music & Netflix.

That a good option!

[prémont]

In the case of seatbelts, around 50 years ago there were people who argued endlessly about why they shouldn't have to wear them.

My father was one of those lunatics. His main thesis was : "I don't want to be burnt until I'm dead."

[Madiel]

Yes, well, cars catch fire a lot less often in real life than they do in the movies. Even 50 years ago I suspect, but certainly now.

[Holden]

I celebrate (?) my 70th birthday on the 13th. For some reason, the number 70 seems to be a cut off point for those who might be exposed to Covid. All I will say to my employers is that with the shortage of people in all forms of industry you will need every able body you can get and I will be one of those able bodies. No reaction at all from my Moderna Spikevax booster. I'm ready to go out and about with no worries about what's out there. Let's all move on.

[The new erato]

I celebrate (?) my 70th birthday on the 13th. For some reason, the number 70 seems to be a cut off point for those who might be exposed to Covid. All I will say to my employers is that with the shortage of people in all forms of industry you will need every able body you can get and I will be one of those able bodies. No reaction at all from my Moderna Spikevax booster. I'm ready to go out and about with no worries about what's out there. Let's all move on.

I'm 70 (close to 71) as well, retired 10 months ago. Boosted and not unreasonably worried.

[Florestan]

I celebrate (?) my 70th birthday on the 13th. For some reason, the number 70 seems to be a cut off point for those who might be exposed to Covid. All I will say to my employers is that with the shortage of people in all forms of industry you will need every able body you can get and I will be one of those able bodies. No reaction at all from my Moderna Spikevax booster. I'm ready to go out and about with no worries about what's out there. Let's all move on.

That's the spirit! Happy birthday, may you live a long and healthy life!

[Que]

I celebrate (?) my 70th birthday on the 13th. For some reason, the number 70 seems to be a cut off point for those who might be exposed to Covid. All I will say to my employers is that with the shortage of people in all forms of industry you will need every able body you can get and I will be one of those able bodies. No reaction at all from my Moderna Spikevax booster. I'm ready to go out and about with no worries about what's out there. Let's all move on.

Get Covid done!   

Anyway, it might well be that with Omicron Covid is done - as major health care problem.

But it's too early to tell for certain, isn't it?

PS In other news: a Dutch district court just granted permission to a 15 year old girl to be vaccinated against the will of her mother. Parents are divorced and have joint custody, so permission of both parents was required. The father agreed to vaccination.

[Florestan]

PS In other news: a Dutch district court just granted permission to a 15 year old girl to be vaccinated against the will of her mother. Parents are divorced and have joint custody, so permission of both parents was required. The father agreed to vaccination.

Is it a definitive ruling or the mother can appeal?

[greg]

Seems likelier?

Um, no. Thanks for your little bit of amateur reasoning, but the actual science on this shows that vaccinated people who get infected shed less virus and consequently infect fewer people. This stuff is actually studied you know. We don't have to rely on a hypothesis that greg figured out, we can actually go check. We can actually explode the assumption that you made that all infections are equally infectious. For example:

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/12/vaccinated-who-get-breakthrough-infections-less-contagious/

We're still using this argument because it's true. The fact that you don't LIKE it is neither here nor there. The fact that you don't understand the difference between vaccination being an absolute guarantee and vaccination being about risk reduction for both you and those around you, hopefully we can work on.

This article is only a month old, last I heard is that it is just as transmissable whether vaccinated or not. This was being argued online when that was believed.

[Que]

Is it a definitive ruling or the mother can appeal?

An appeal is possible.  But the verdict has direct effect, so the girl can have here vaccination right away.
Unless the appeals court would grant an emergency injunction pending the appeal. Chances of that are nil.

[Madiel]

This article is only a month old, last I heard is that it is just as transmissable whether vaccinated or not. This was being argued online when that was believed.

Last you heard...

The question is where are you listening? And who exactly is "arguing online"? Unless you're hanging out on a forum where scientists and researchers are sharing their results, then "arguing online" is no kind of evidence at all.

I would note that your next post, a truly ridiculous proposition about gun control, has been moved to the US politics thread; a process I do not thank you for.

But your ongoing commitment to acting like you know a lot about things just because you've been on the internet is also noted.

[greg]

The question is where are you listening? And who exactly is "arguing online"? Unless you're hanging out on a forum where scientists and researchers are sharing their results, then "arguing online" is no kind of evidence at all.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not presenting arguments online as evidence, what exactly do you think I'm saying?
I'm saying what has been argued is that it should be mandated to prevent people from spreading it, months before when this article was published. At that time it was known that vaccinated people could still spread it. I've seen several instances of people arguing in support of mandates online during that time, using that reason. If research has proven otherwise since then, then that's fine, but that point only stands recently.

I would note that your next post, a truly ridiculous proposition about gun control, has been moved to the US politics thread; a process I do not thank you for.

It wasn't off topic. Nice assumption. I was asking a question that was to be tied in to a point about vaccine mandates.
And it wasn't ridiculous, if you would just listen to the point I was about to make. Moving it was incredibly rude, along with the whole tone of your posts. Not appreciated at all.

[Karl Henning]

Last you heard...

The question is where are you listening? And who exactly is "arguing online"? Unless you're hanging out on a forum where scientists and researchers are sharing their results, then "arguing online" is no kind of evidence at all.

I would note that your next post, a truly ridiculous proposition about gun control, has been moved to the US politics thread; a process I do not thank you for.

But your ongoing commitment to acting like you know a lot about things just because you've been on the internet is also noted.

As they say: Sad!

[Madiel]

Greg, it wasn't ME who decided your post on guns was off topic. I know it wasn't off topic. I wrote about vaccination in my reply. The moderators decided. Wrongly in my opinion.

Talk about assumptions...

Edit: and it's not clear to me now whether it's actually been deleted, which is even worse. Because then you won't read why your proposition was so ridiculous.

Second edit: In fact it has been deleted. The moderators apparently decided to respond to my complaint about their bad decision by making an even worse decision, and from what I know of the software it won't even save me from having the US politics thread coming up as one I've posted on.

Honestly, I'm thinking of deleting this profile and creating a new one, in the best GMG tradition, just to get around the way software behaves.

So let me briefly summarise (and for God's sake moderators leave it alone): most of the planet doesn't have school shootings and most of the planet doesn't need house cameras to achieve an absence of school shootings.

The real issue is why people resist vaccination in the face of centuries of evidence that vaccination works. That's why we do it. It's a practice driven by science. I'm struggling to understand what the resistance to it is driven by, apart from a short memory about the massive benefits that vaccination has brought.

[greg]

Greg, it wasn't ME who decided your post on guns was off topic. I know it wasn't off topic. I wrote about vaccination in my reply. The moderators decided. Wrongly in my opinion.

Ah ok, my bad then.

Second edit: In fact it has been deleted. The moderators apparently decided to respond to my complaint about their bad decision by making an even worse decision, and from what I know of the software it won't even save me from having the US politics thread coming up as one I've posted on.

Honestly, I'm thinking of deleting this profile and creating a new one, in the best GMG tradition, just to get around the way software behaves.

Yeah, that's an age old problem, unsubscribing to a thread would be a sweet option.

So let me briefly summarise (and for God's sake moderators leave it alone): most of the planet doesn't have school shootings and most of the planet doesn't need house cameras to achieve an absence of school shootings.

The real issue is why people resist vaccination in the face of centuries of evidence that vaccination works. That's why we do it. It's a practice driven by science. I'm struggling to understand what the resistance to it is driven by, apart from a short memory about the massive benefits that vaccination has brought.

Hmmmm I'm not entirely sure you know what I was getting at then.

Mods probably really didn't understood and thought it was off-topic. If mods are okay with it, I can finish my point. I was asking a question and was hoping to get a response, and then would tie in my point there.
It's a point of trying to make some understanding with this issue. I'm not trying to make any provocative point. Even if my question sounds weird.

[Madiel]

Your question was based on a proposition (an entirely wrong one) about some extreme action being the only way to solve a problem.

You apparently find vaccine mandates extreme.

This is apparently based in part on seeing vaccination as a personal decision just about your own body. I've already said to you: that's not how infectious diseases work, and nor is personal protection the sole reason for vaccination (same as it isn't for masks). I'm not even sure it's the MAIN reason for vaccination. Certainly not from the perspective of an epidemiologist.

[SimonNZ]

Last you heard...

The question is where are you listening?

Youtubers. We've been down this road a few times now.

Some random amateur Youtuber/s will have said "just as transmissible whether vaccinated or not".

[Madiel]

Youtubers. We've been down this road a few times now.

Some random amateur Youtuber/s will have said "just as transmissible whether vaccinated or not".

I wonder whether I should look for YouTube videos about seatbelts and how people die wearing them... they are probably out there.