Leaving again, no drama

[Henk]

I'm leaving again. Maybe be back some time in the future maybe not. I just wanted to let you know instead of leaving without a note.

It's no drama. I had a good time, fruitful input from people. Good for my development. Thank you for those who responded.

That's what I wanted to say. It's completely natural that people come and go.

The bar seems in general a bit too high (social talk, evaluation of classical music) for me here to have interactions (although I had some good interactions), I don't there's much in it for me anymore and also I don't feel a need to spend much energy in trying to keep up. That feels as self-corrupting.

Tomorrow I expect a new book by Yuk Hui arriving 'Machine and Sovereignty: For a Planetary Thinking'. Brand new publication. I look forward to it and this will keep me happy the coming time.

[DavidW]

Please don't delete your account. We might not be able to make a new one should you want to come back. Just sign out, and then we will see you when you feel like jumping back in.

[Henk]

Please don't delete your account. We might not be able to make a new one should you want to come back. Just sign out, and then we will see you when you feel like jumping back in.

I even don't plan to sign out. What's the use of it?

[hopefullytrusting]

The bar seems a bit too high for me here to have interactions and also I don't feel a need to spend much energy in trying to keep up. That feels as self-corrupting.

Then lower the bar, or find your people. Then branch out when you feel ready to do so.

Nothing here is serious; it's a forum.

[Henk]

Then lower the bar, or find your people. Then branch out when you feel ready to do so.

Nothing here is serious; it's a forum.

English is already a sort of barrier.

Find your people, that's indeed my idea. But I can also just live in loneliness and find satisfaction in just being a spectator on Instagram sharing in the joy.

Lower the bar feels like 'What am I doing here?'.

[Henk]

I get that.

Nothing wrong with loneliness, as long as it doesn't transform into alienation, which I think is an easy trip to fall into, especially if you take any of the internet personally.

No, free yourself from your own expectations. Yes, easier said than done, but life becomes a lot more tolerable the sooner you realize that no one is watching.

I just want to be sane. I've come from very far and this is the way I walk, getting sane, bridging the gap between the heart and the head (Nietzsche). It should be possible to live in loneliness in a sane way and being content. Loneliness is of course not absolute and one is always one's own company (Nietzsche), so one should be good company, counts for everyone and it's not the easiest thing.

[Henk]

I get that.

Nothing wrong with loneliness, as long as it doesn't transform into alienation, which I think is an easy trip to fall into, especially if you take any of the internet personally.

No, free yourself from your own expectations. Yes, easier said than done, but life becomes a lot more tolerable the sooner you realize that no one is watching.

👍

[Henk]

I don't see the connection your making with Nietzsche, nor do I think you'll find the solace you're looking for if you are concerned about becoming okay with yourself.

I mean Nietzsche was never old with himself. In truth, Rorty is more right than wrong when he points to literature and poetry as a more appropriate means to philosophize. His error is a common one, common to this forum, which is canonicity.

To me Nietzsche makes a lot of sense. I read Rorty, at first I found him compelling, but I started to dislike his ideas, which are quite superficial to me.

There is a danger that I led Nietzsche lead my life. So I'm reading Osho now, his book 'Tantra'. I have delved into the teachings by Jesus, thanks to Nietzsche though, and I'm not finished with that yet. I'm reading Agamben too, who is a very poetical philosopher, it speaks to me, but I'm too Nietzschean to let Agamben guide me.

The progress I made in my mental health is very satisfying to me. To get closer to the root of the problem, to lay the root bare. To grow more modest. Life is still worth living after tyranny. This is something autocrats haven't learnt. I have. This was just one of my problems. Life gets better when mental health gets better.

I will continue to make art.

I will make my way. Life will soon get harsher for all of us with climate change. That's why I read books like this one by Hui. Cc will be a challenge for society and for each of us.

[Henk]

I don't see the connection your making with Nietzsche, nor do I think you'll find the solace you're looking for if you are concerned about becoming okay with yourself.

I mean Nietzsche was never old with himself. In truth, Rorty is more right than wrong when he points to literature and poetry as a more appropriate means to philosophize. His error is a common one, common to this forum, which is canonicity.

Go your way. Move ahead with your life. That's important. Not who is wrong or who is right.

[Henk]

I don't see the connection your making with Nietzsche

Those are Nietzsche's ideas. From his book 'Dawn'. I can look up the aphorisms if you like and quote them here.. 🤪

[Kalevala]

Henk,

I don't know whether you are retired or still working in some way.  Suggestion, re sanity, get involved locally in causes that you care about; it will help to pull you out of your own (and pardon me, I do mean this with kindness) little world.  It might be awkward at first for you, but I do believe that you can do it.  You'll help others/animals maybe too(?)

Meant with love and in kindness,

K

[Henk]

Henk,

I don't know whether you are retired or still working in some way.  Suggestion, re sanity, get involved locally in causes that you care about; it will help to pull you out of your own (and pardon me, I do mean this with kindness) little world.  It might be awkward at first for you, but I do believe that you can do it.  You'll help others/animals maybe too(?)

Meant with love and in kindness,

K

I'm a member of a local community, I garden sometimes with people, but rarily.
I've tried voluntary work, but it's a production regime and pecking order. Also my cognition is limited and I can't perform certain tasks.
I can go to therapy work, but that's a little world to me. I did that in the past, but it wouldn't help me now.

I'm content with how I live. I try to join a walking group, there's just one that I can join. The possibilities to socialize are very limited.

I'm already very glad I overcome my mental illness. I can read a bit, some books that really have my interest, and paint a bit, as far as those things work for me, I'm limited in this too.

Like Nietzsche wrote, the travel around the world is myself.

Thanks for your post and attention.

[Kalevala]

I'm a member of a local community, I garden sometimes with people, but rarily.
I've tried voluntary work, but it's a production regime and pecking order. Also my cognition is limited and I can't perform certain tasks.
I can go to therapy work, but that's a little world to me. I did that in the past, but it wouldn't help me now.

I'm content with how I live. I try to join a walking group, there's just one that I can join. The possibilities to socialize are very limited.

I'm already very glad I overcome my mental illness. I can read a bit, some books that really have my interest, and paint a bit, as far as those things work for me, I'm limited in this too.

Like Nietzsche wrote, the travel around the world is myself.

Thanks for your post and attention.

We all have our struggles.  I'm so sorry to hear of yours.  It must be very lonely at times.  I wish you all of the best.  Hang in there.

K

[Henk]

We all have our struggles.  I'm so sorry to hear of yours.  It must be very lonely at times.  I wish you all of the best.  Hang in there.

K

I'm used to it. I can't complain. It's all fate, you can try to hate it, that wouldn't make you happy, or love it.

[Kalevala]

I'm used to it. I can't complain. It's all fate, you can try to hate it, that wouldn't make you happy, or love it.

No, you it's not all fate, you can keep trying to fight through it (maybe with some professional help).  You don't have to accept it.  You can have a better life.

K

[Henk]

No, you it's not all fate, you can keep trying to fight through it (maybe with some professional help).  You don't have to accept it.  You can have a better life.

K

That's what I do. I fight through it, but that's also fate. Everything that happens is fate imo. I'm winning the fight. That's why I feel so content.

[Henk]

We all have our struggles.

K

It's true we all have our struggles and new ones come. I wish you well with your struggles whatever they are. Good luck.

[AnotherSpin]

To me Nietzsche makes a lot of sense. I read Rorty, at first I found him compelling, but I started to dislike his ideas, which are quite superficial to me.

There is a danger that I led Nietzsche lead my life. So I'm reading Osho now, his book 'Tantra'. I have delved into the teachings by Jesus, thanks to Nietzsche though, and I'm not finished with that yet. I'm reading Agamben too, who is a very poetical philosopher, it speaks to me, but I'm too Nietzschean to let Agamben guide me.

The progress I made in my mental health is very satisfying to me. To get closer to the root of the problem, to lay the root bare. To grow more modest. Life is still worth living after tyranny. This is something autocrats haven't learnt. I have. This was just one of my problems. Life gets better when mental health gets better.

I will continue to make art.

I will make my way. Life will soon get harsher for all of us with climate change. That's why I read books like this one by Hui. Cc will be a challenge for society and for each of us.

What is your impression on Osho?

[Henk]

What is your impression on Osho?

Very entertaining and insightful. Well written.
Of course one has to get out of it what one can use, but it's very satisfying to me this far.
There's some contradiction that he writes about nothingness while he describes it as energy.

[Todd]

Osho - aka, the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh - was a straight up criminal and bona fide cult leader.