Dutch Composers

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vandermolen

#360
May 29, 2022, 10:44:42 PM
Quote from: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 29, 2022, 02:00:30 PM
The 'other Johan' returns... The Third Symphony is my favourite Andriessen symphony. A marvellous piece. I prefer a historic performance, under Jean Fournet. You can find it here: https://youtu.be/d4jmwDh9eVo


As for Orthel, I still love that Second Symphony, a minor masterpiece, in my opinion. Scherzo No. 2 is just as good.
Good to see the return of the 'other' Johan  ;D
I thought that this thread might bring you out of hibernation  ;D
I see that the Orthel Symphony No.2 is on You Tube, so I will track it down there. Totally agree about Andriessen's 3rd Symphony and fortunately have both recordings of it (I like them both).
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

J.Z. Herrenberg

#361
May 29, 2022, 10:57:44 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 29, 2022, 10:44:42 PM
Good to see the return of the 'other' Johan  ;D
I thought that this thread might bring you out of hibernation  ;D


Summer is coming.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

vandermolen

#362
May 29, 2022, 11:16:31 PM
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#363
May 30, 2022, 10:38:19 PM
I've had Orthel's 'Evocazione' and 3rd Symphony on repeat listening - two great discoveries for me. I know that others have been enthusing over the 2nd Symphony (which I'm yet to hear) but I have been moved and impressed by the 3rd Symphony, especially the opening movement. I'm playing that Symphony again now.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

J.Z. Herrenberg

#364
May 30, 2022, 10:45:37 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 30, 2022, 10:38:19 PM
I've had Orthel's 'Evocazione' and 3rd Symphony on repeat listening - two great discoveries for me. I know that others have been enthusing over the 2nd Symphony (which I'm yet to hear) but I have been moved and impressed by the 3rd Symphony, especially the opening movement. I'm playing that Symphony again now.



The Third is a beautiful piece, so - enjoy!
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

vandermolen

#365
May 31, 2022, 11:40:16 PM
Quote from: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 30, 2022, 10:45:37 PM

The Third is a beautiful piece, so - enjoy!

Thanks Johan - I'm currently enjoying the 4th Symphony, which is rather like a piano concerto.
Every work on this CD (Evocazione, 3rd and 4th Symphony) has given me much pleasure and they make a great programme of works.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vers la flamme

#366
June 05, 2022, 03:52:35 PM
Quote from: beer on November 17, 2007, 02:08:21 AM
Yeah he Dutch and I agree the greatest. He is the Jimmy Hendrix of organ music with his psychedelic works and (must have) infuenced many composers to come.

Note that I dont know any other Dutch composers and Im Dutch

Super old comment but I liked this and agree  ;D

Roy Bland

#367
March 21, 2023, 08:34:10 PM
It seems clarify relationship between Johan and Bernard Wagenaar that was quite obscure
https://www.icebreaker.org.uk/diderik-wagenaar.html

pjme

#368
March 22, 2023, 07:45:31 AM
Very sweet!

pjme

#369
April 13, 2024, 07:18:20 AM Last Edit: April 14, 2024, 06:55:20 AM by pjme

Lahav Shani conducted Pijper"'s second symphony twice - in Rotterdam and Berlin.


Edo de Waart performed a lot of Dutch composers. these adagios are Pijpers most lyrical, symphonic work.

Roy Bland

#370
April 13, 2024, 06:15:28 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 30, 2022, 10:38:19 PMI've had Orthel's 'Evocazione' and 3rd Symphony on repeat listening - two great discoveries for me. I know that others have been enthusing over the 2nd Symphony (which I'm yet to hear) but I have been moved and impressed by the 3rd Symphony, especially the opening movement. I'm playing that Symphony again now.

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Symphonic Addict

#371
June 27, 2024, 03:48:19 PM
To be released on July 23rd:

Part of the tragedy of the Palestinians is that they have essentially no international support for a good reason: they've no wealth, they've no power, so they've no rights.

Noam Chomsky

Symphonic Addict

#372
August 04, 2024, 06:02:18 PM
The Piano Quintet in D-flat major, op. 5 (1901) by the Dutch composer Dirk Schäfer is a real gem (there's a typo on the front cover, the Schlegel is the piano quartet and it is not in the same league as the aforementioned work). I don't know many chamber works by composers of this nationality, but this tuneful, passionate, well-crafted, memorable quintet clearly stands out and might reach the category of masterpiece I think. According to some notes I wrote down, I listened to it more than 4 years ago, and glad I revisited it today. A formidable composition.

Part of the tragedy of the Palestinians is that they have essentially no international support for a good reason: they've no wealth, they've no power, so they've no rights.

Noam Chomsky

kyjo

#373
August 06, 2024, 06:14:56 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on August 04, 2024, 06:02:18 PMThe Piano Quintet in D-flat major, op. 5 (1901) by the Dutch composer Dirk Schäfer is a real gem (there's a typo on the front cover, the Schlegel is the piano quartet and it is not in the same league as the aforementioned work). I don't know many chamber works by composers of this nationality, but this tuneful, passionate, well-crafted, memorable quintet clearly stands out and might reach the category of masterpiece I think. According to some notes I wrote down, I listened to it more than 4 years ago, and glad I revisited it today. A formidable composition.



Fully agreed! That opening theme is so catchy. I also love the fact that it's in my favorite key! ;)
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

Symphonic Addict

#374
August 06, 2024, 04:33:34 PM Last Edit: August 06, 2024, 04:38:13 PM by Symphonic Addict
Quote from: kyjo on August 06, 2024, 06:14:56 AMFully agreed! That opening theme is so catchy. I also love the fact that it's in my favorite key! ;)

Indeed, and it reappears in the fourth movement to give the work a cyclical form.

I wish more prominent works had been written in this key. There's something subdued and special about it.
Part of the tragedy of the Palestinians is that they have essentially no international support for a good reason: they've no wealth, they've no power, so they've no rights.

Noam Chomsky

Symphonic Addict

#375
August 07, 2024, 05:55:41 PM Last Edit: August 08, 2024, 03:05:52 PM by Symphonic Addict
Another brand-new release already available for streaming:

Part of the tragedy of the Palestinians is that they have essentially no international support for a good reason: they've no wealth, they've no power, so they've no rights.

Noam Chomsky

Christo

#376
August 07, 2024, 09:25:28 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on August 07, 2024, 05:55:41 PMAnother new-brand release already available for streaming:


Love this one, one of the best "Beethoven time & style" symphonies I know. We already had this wonderfull recording:
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Roy Bland

#377
December 29, 2024, 05:23:26 PM

Christo

#378
December 29, 2024, 10:10:33 PM Last Edit: December 29, 2024, 10:30:15 PM by Christo
Met Theo Olof's grandson, Johan Olof, two weeks ago. A violonist, he led the Amsterdam String Orchestra Lundi Bleu ('Blue Monday', the orchestra is an "extra" for most performers, in order to be able to do some 20th century music). His programme -- perfect performances -- was daring enough:

  • George Antheil, Serenade for Strings
  • Ralph Vaughan Williams, Charterhouse Suite
  • Geörgy Ligeti, Hommage a Ligeti
  • Alfred Schnittke, Moz-Art à la Haydn
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

pjme

#379
December 30, 2024, 03:57:29 AM Last Edit: December 30, 2024, 04:00:33 AM by pjme
A couple of weeks ago - an interesting concert by PhilZuid/Duncan Ward conductor, Alice Sara Ott, piano

I especially loved Joey Roukens Distorted fantasia after J.P.Sweelinck
Bryce Dessners pianoconcerto (written for Ott) was very repetitively busy, but left me absolutely cold
Duncan Ward and PhilZuid gave good performances of two Respighi classics: Fontane di Roma and Feste Romane



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