Bruckner's Abbey

[Cato]

Whoops, I think I may have given off the wrong idea. I love Jochum too. I believe I still have his DG set somewhere. I don't need to be convinced of his merits, as I already find him fantastic.

Thanks for the clarification!

Here is a rarity for you and everyone else: a DGG recording of Eugen Jochum rehearsing Bruckner's Symphony #3, or at least part of it.

[Valentino]

Looking forward to Bruckner 9 in Stavanger Concert Hall on the 3rd of April. 

[lordlance]

Looking forward to Bruckner 9 in Stavanger Concert Hall on the 3rd of April. 

Who's conducting? 

[Valentino]

@lordlance It's Andris Poga.

[Cato]

Looking forward to Bruckner 9 in Stavanger Concert Hall on the 3rd of April. 

For those not averse to attempts to complete the Ninth Symphony's Finale...

Here is a recent Bruckner Symphony #9 from Tokyo, with the most recent revision of the Finale by Professor John Phillips, who suffered a stroke a few months ago.

The conductor is Eliahu Inbal:

[Der lächelnde Schatten]

For those not averse to attempts to complete the Ninth Symphony's Finale...

Here is a recent Bruckner Symphony #9 from Tokyo, with the most recent revision of the Finale by Professor John Phillips, who suffered a stroke a few months ago.

The conductor is Eliahu Inbal:

I just cannot accept anyone's attempt at Bruckner's 9th finale. I believe I've heard two completions and neither one of them sound right to my ears. Bruckner's 9th is sublime just the way it is --- unfinished.

[calyptorhynchus]

For those not averse to attempts to complete the Ninth Symphony's Finale...

Here is a recent Bruckner Symphony #9 from Tokyo, with the most recent revision of the Finale by Professor John Phillips, who suffered a stroke a few months ago.

The conductor is Eliahu Inbal:

Thanks I shall enjoy this!

[Cato]

Thanks I shall enjoy this!

The audience went wild at the end, with a c. 10-minute ovation: you will hear why!

I just cannot accept anyone's attempt at Bruckner's 9th finale. I believe I've heard two completions and neither one of them sound right to my ears. Bruckner's 9th is sublime just the way it is --- unfinished.

Well, you might want to try this one: as Professor Phillips has stated, the missing pages are few, can be deduced from sketches most of the time, and it is a "lie" that the movement was never finished.

Certainly I do not detect anything "un-Brucknerian" in the movement.  To be sure, the Carragan completion did seem to have its problems here and there.  But this one...give it a try!

[Der lächelnde Schatten]

The audience went wild at the end, with a c. 10-minute ovation: you will hear why!

Well, you might want to try this one: as Professor Phillips has stated, the missing pages are few, can be deduced from sketches most of the time, and it is a "lie" that the movement was never finished.

Certainly I do not detect anything "un-Brucknerian" in the movement.  To be sure, the Carragan completion did seem to have its problems here and there.  But this one...give it a try!

I'm sorry...but no realization sounds right to my ears. I'm not disputing the merits of such an endeavor, but it's more for the musicologist and not for the listener in my view. As I mentioned, I feel the 9th is fine just the way it is in its three-movement iteration.

[calyptorhynchus]

The Inbal Bruckner 9 is a fantastic performance in its own right. those who are offended by reconstructed finales can stop listening after the Adagio. 

[calyptorhynchus]

I was just listening to it again and I think I can hear strange noises in some passages that I can only assume is the conductor talking to the orchestra. Can anyone else hear these? I hope when Inbal records this piece with this finale he remembers not to talk to the orchestra!

[Der lächelnde Schatten]

The Inbal Bruckner 9 is a fantastic performance in its own right. those who are offended by reconstructed finales can stop listening after the Adagio. 

It's not that I'm "offended" by the reconstruction of the 9th finale, it's just that it doesn't make any sense to me.

I feel similarly about Mahler's 10th, but that's a topic for another thread.

[arpeggio]

The reconstructions are not for everybody.
If one does not enjoy them, they are under no obligation to listen to them.
For better or worse, some of us enjoy them.

[LKB]

The reconstructions are not for everybody.
If one does not enjoy them, they are under no obligation to listen to them.
For better or worse, some of us enjoy them.

While I'm in the " conservative camp " regarding both B9 and M10, the quoted post is one l have no problem with. 

[Roasted Swan]

The audience went wild at the end, with a c. 10-minute ovation: you will hear why!

Well, you might want to try this one: as Professor Phillips has stated, the missing pages are few, can be deduced from sketches most of the time, and it is a "lie" that the movement was never finished.

Certainly I do not detect anything "un-Brucknerian" in the movement.  To be sure, the Carragan completion did seem to have its problems here and there.  But this one...give it a try!

I have to say I find BOTH the reconstruction here and the performance very fine.  As with all reconstructions I am pleased to have the option of listening to them or not.  I think with Bruckner 9 we are all so imprinted with the extraordinary ending of the Adagio that anything following seems superfluous.  Certainly the big major key ending of this new completion can seem a little 'obvious' after that sublime Adagio.  But given Bruckner's track record I think it is very reasonable to assume he had in mind just such a conclusion......

[vandermolen]

I was very moved by the reconstruction of the last movement.

[Cato]

I have to say I find BOTH the reconstruction here and the performance very fine.  As with all reconstructions I am pleased to have the option of listening to them or not.  I think with Bruckner 9 we are all so imprinted with the extraordinary ending of the Adagio that anything following seems superfluous.  Certainly the big major key ending of this new completion can seem a little 'obvious' after that sublime Adagio.  But given Bruckner's track record I think it is very reasonable to assume he had in mind just such a conclusion......

Yes, the "imprinting" can be a powerful influence, but...Bruckner did compose a Finale, and it was complete, at least in a "short score."

So I do not believe he would agree with the claim that the first three movements should be enough to represent his intentions for the work.

I was very moved by the reconstruction of the last movement.

Even when I had only heard the MIDI "performance," I could tell that this would be quite worthy of Bruckner and not some sort of Frankenstein's monster.

So yes, quite moving!!!  😇

[Wanderer]

...we are all so imprinted with the extraordinary ending of the Adagio that anything following seems superfluous. 

Not all. I (and I assume many others) was never satisfied with the Adagio as a finale. And Bruckner was so adamant that his Ninth was not to be performed as a three-movement bleeding chunk that he specified the Te Deum be performed as a finale if he did not manage to finish the fourth movement. 

[Der lächelnde Schatten]

Not all. I (and I assume many others) was never satisfied with the Adagio as a finale. And Bruckner was so adamant that his Ninth was not to be performed as a three-movement bleeding chunk that he specified the Te Deum be performed as a finale if he did not manage to finish the fourth movement.

Doesn't matter. The three-movement version of this symphony is what he completed and I'm glad so many conductors/orchestras have performed it. The Te Deum as a finale to the 9th doesn't make any sense.

[ChamberNut]

100% satisfied with the three movement Adagio finale. Don't mess around with my B9, my favourite symphony of all time.