Leonard Bernstein conducting

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springrite

Quote from: Tahar Mouslim on September 15, 2009, 08:42:37 AM



and, this one is really thrilling to me, both in terms of music (3 masterpieces) & in terms of rendition: I feel the affinity of Lenny with this music while listening it.

I just don't know why one can't listen more often to the Lopatnikoff concerto in concert: it is a superb work!

This is a great disc and one of my favorite as well. I especially love the Symphony for Classical Orchestra, which I got to know when I attended a concert of the LA Phil under Previn in the mid 1980's. Great work and should be played much more often.
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Sets are easy:  the NYPO Sibelius and both Mahler cycles.  Individual issues are tough.  Probably Sibelius 5 NYPO, Mahler 5 WP, and Elgar Enigma Variations with the BBC.
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Herman

Quote from: Papageno on September 15, 2009, 03:58:29 AM
Klemperer's recordings are almost in slow-motion, you can hear every detail, so powerful my skin crawls,  which just gives me a an intense desire to shoot myself.

this is not a desirable effect (though in your case what can one do?)

Renfield

My three favourite Bernstein recordings... Well, without counting box sets, they are likely to be:








I would not want to be without any of the above, and all three represent (in my opinion) what made Bernstein Bernstein.

Papageno

Quote from: Herman on September 15, 2009, 12:52:48 PM
this is not a desirable effect (though in your case what can one do?)

Hermann Hesse describes it in Steppenwolf (yes, I'm a wolf of the steppes) - while listening to a string quartet - as a few seconds of a rush of power, where he felt he could tear down a church or seduce a little girl.  I describe it as an intense desire to shoot myself.

Mandryka

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I am not at all a fan of Bernstein either as composer or conductor. But there is one recording which I do think is a bit special, and which I can't see mentioned in the discusion -- his disc of Mahler songs with Fischer Dieskau.

There are better pianists than Lennie, but FiDi is on top form doing his FiDi thing -- hyper-nuanced, and a great feel for the line of the song.

Certainly not my favourite Mahler lieder performance -- but well worth knowing I think

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val

Above all, the 6 Paris Symphonies of Haydn, with the NYPO.

I also love the Sibelius box, with he NYPO - better than the version he gave later with the VPO - and in special his interpretation of the 3rd and 7th.

I would also mention some of his versions of Mahler: the 3rd with the NYPO, the 5th, 6th and 8th with the VPO, the 7th with the NYPO (the best version, in my opinion). And the 9th with the BPO.

PerfectWagnerite

Quote from: Coopmv on September 12, 2009, 07:25:34 PM
Especially with the CSO, which was a bit unusual. 
Where have you and Bogey been living the past 15 years? In a bubble? You have never seen or heard of this recording?



If you buy one recording a decade I hope it is this one. The recording of the Leningrad not only is the greatest recording of this piece on record (and I have 10 plus versions of this work), it is one of the greatest recordings of anything by anyone.

karlhenning

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on September 17, 2009, 07:38:58 AM
Where have you and Bogey been living the past 15 years? In a bubble? You have never seen or heard of this recording?



If you buy one recording a decade I hope it is this one. The recording of the Leningrad not only is the greatest recording of this piece on record (and I have 10 plus versions of this work), it is one of the greatest recordings of anything by anyone.

I don't think I have 'officially' responded to this thread yet, but I should certainly list this as one of my three favorite Lenny recordings.

I have a question that I'll take elsewhere, PW.

Franco

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on September 17, 2009, 07:38:58 AM
Where have you and Bogey been living the past 15 years? In a bubble? You have never seen or heard of this recording?



If you buy one recording a decade I hope it is this one. The recording of the Leningrad not only is the greatest recording of this piece on record (and I have 10 plus versions of this work), it is one of the greatest recordings of anything by anyone.

I have that one - but somehow Shostakovich doesn't warm to me in the orchestral works as much as in the chamber music.  Of course I love the symphonies, and this recording is excellent, but on a list of my three favorite Bernstein recordings I chose things that I really think of as Bernstein-esque.  Whlie this is a very good take on Shosty - it does not represent what I consider Bernstein's uniqueness.

PerfectWagnerite

Bernstein has a habit of making whatever piece of music sound adventurous and fresh. The market is loaded with Berlioz, Schubert, Tchaikovsky, Beethoven, etc., but Bernstein's readings do not stink of the rountineness you hear from a lot of conductors. You actually feel that he loves the music, and that he is not there just to make a buck from selling recordings. Someone already mentioned the Symphonie Fantastique, i would also add the Dvorak 9th, and the Schumann symphonies (both with the NYPO and later with the Vienna Philharmonic) as exhibits where Bernstein take these warhorses and make you actually actually feel like listening to them again.

Dana

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on September 17, 2009, 07:38:58 AM

If you buy one recording a decade I hope it is this one. The recording of the Leningrad not only is the greatest recording of this piece on record (and I have 10 plus versions of this work), it is one of the greatest recordings of anything by anyone.

      I would actually disagree with this. It's a great sonic achievement, and it's legend among the brass players I know, and rightfully so. Somehow, though, it's never really attracted me the way that Gergiev, or even Ancerl has. I think there's often a somewhat barren sound to Shostakovich, which Lenny captures wonderfully with his 5th, but it gets washed out in the above recording. The above recording sounds more like his later Sibelius cycle with Vienna than his heyday with New York in the 50s and 60s, which again, I would say that they are great sonic achievements, and the orchestra (especially the brass) will leave your jaw on the floor. But I don't think they're as representative of the composer as others are, and aren't among my favorites.

Daverz

Quote from: springrite on September 15, 2009, 08:46:33 AM
This is a great disc and one of my favorite as well. I especially love the Symphony for Classical Orchestra, which I got to know when I attended a concert of the LA Phil under Previn in the mid 1980's. Great work and should be played much more often.

There's a Previn/LAPO recording on New World Records, but though it's stereo, the mono Bernstein sounds better, and Bernstein really brings the work to life in a way Previn does not.

imperfection

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on September 17, 2009, 07:38:58 AM
Where have you and Bogey been living the past 15 years? In a bubble? You have never seen or heard of this recording?



If you buy one recording a decade I hope it is this one. The recording of the Leningrad not only is the greatest recording of this piece on record (and I have 10 plus versions of this work), it is one of the greatest recordings of anything by anyone.

If you're thinking of inhuman brass playing, I suggest you also try out Abbado's Mahler 7 with the same band :) The finale is just  :o

PerfectWagnerite

Quote from: imperfection on September 17, 2009, 10:14:12 PM
If you're thinking of inhuman brass playing, I suggest you also try out Abbado's Mahler 7 with the same band :) The finale is just  :o
Yes that one is indeed very good, one of the few Abbado recordings I can actually stand. The very first Mahler 7th I own, but not the one that makes me appreciate the piece.

Bogey

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on September 17, 2009, 07:38:58 AM
Where have you and Bogey been living the past 15 years? In a bubble?

The answer is, "Moops". ;)
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Bogey

There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

Dancing Divertimentian

Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Dana

Quote from: imperfection on September 17, 2009, 10:14:12 PMIf you're thinking of inhuman brass playing, I suggest you also try out Abbado's Mahler 7 with the same band :) The finale is just  :o

Just how long have they had the best brass section in the world anyways? The beginning of time?