Tchaikovsky

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lordlance

Quote from: DavidW on May 20, 2024, 11:11:45 AMBeethoven and Mozart are classical era though... It seems like K. Petrenko has focused more on Russian romantics and neoromantics at least by his discography.
Beethoven is both I'd argue. Symphony No. 9 is pretty Romantic to me. 

I need to revisit his Romeo and Juliet and Francesca. 
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lordlance

Quote from: DavidW on May 20, 2024, 09:04:38 AMThe recording with Berman is fantastic though (haven't heard Kissin but I think Karajan was much older then).  And I think he has also recorded the concerto with Richter as well... I think Karajan has an affinity for the piece.  I think out of the what four times he has recorded it you might have picked the one dud.
I heard the '73 Weissenberg. In addition to what I said already earlier, I do feel like the sound is just too forceful. Might just be the Karajan approach.
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nico1616

Quote from: DavidW on May 20, 2024, 09:13:52 AM@nico1616 I can't find your post but I swear you recommended K. Petrenko's Tchaikovsky 6.  I listened to it last night and it was as driven and passionate as Mravinsky's but with the benefit of modern sound!  I was so floored how absolutely great the recording was that I instantly listened to his Rach 2 and queued up more from Shostakovich, Mahler etc. this conductor is something special!




I mentioned Petrenko's Mahler 7th in a post, which I do not warm to yet, but that could also be the symphony itself which I just don't get into.
You make me curious about Petrenko's Tchaikovsky ...
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DavidW

Quote from: nico1616 on May 21, 2024, 10:31:15 PMI mentioned Petrenko's Mahler 7th in a post, which I do not warm to yet, but that could also be the symphony itself which I just don't get into.
You make me curious about Petrenko's Tchaikovsky ...

Ha!  It was someone else then... poor memory for me.

Cato

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Is there any interest in the Second Piano Concerto?


Here M. Pletnev at the piano with V. Fedoseyev on the podium:



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DavidW

Quote from: Cato on May 22, 2024, 05:40:26 AMIs there any interest in the Second Piano Concerto?

Yes I really like it.  My introduction was through this set back in the saintly days of yore...


lordlance

Quote from: Cato on May 22, 2024, 05:40:26 AMIs there any interest in the Second Piano Concerto?


Here M. Pletnev at the piano with V. Fedoseyev on the podium:



I absolutely love the Second and Third PC (Concert Fantasia is really a piano work with orchestra obbligato lol)

It is tragic how little they get played. Sometimes it feels PC1 should be just called PC. I suppose it gets performed more regularly in Russia but in the West when was the last time a major orchestra like BPO, VPO, RCO, NYP, Boston programmed it?
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Mirror Image

Quote from: Cato on May 22, 2024, 05:40:26 AMIs there any interest in the Second Piano Concerto?


Here M. Pletnev at the piano with V. Fedoseyev on the podium:




I'm revisiting this work right now and rather enjoying it. The performance I'm listening to is Emil Gilels with Maazel at the helm conducting the New Philharmonia Orchestra on Warner.
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kyjo

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Quote from: Cato on May 22, 2024, 05:40:26 AMIs there any interest in the Second Piano Concerto?


Here M. Pletnev at the piano with V. Fedoseyev on the podium:




I love the 2nd PC! In some ways I prefer it to the better-known 1st PC - the beautiful and unique slow movement, with its significant concertante roles for violin and cello, is basically a triple concerto in itself! The first movement impresses with its regal character, and the finale is a catchy, energetic romp in classic Tchaikovsky style. I'm mostly familiar with the Donohoe/Barshai/Bournemouth recording on Warner, which is a real barnstormer! FWIW, I also think the 3rd PC and the Concert Fantasia are rather underrated - in fact, I only listened to the latter for the first time a few weeks ago!
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Brian

The Second is actually my favorite of the concertos! That may not be the most popular opinion because of a certain lack of drama, but for all the reasons kyjo described, I love it. My favorite moment, besides the trio interactions in the slow movement, is actually the first movement cadenza, the storming fast section with all the crazed repeated notes that turn into absolute over-the-top cascades.

I do not forgive any performer who uses the gigantic cuts in the slow movement.

I love the Concert Fantasia nearly as much, and again in large part the first movement cadenza. But the form is so intriguingly odd - it may not "work" as a cadenza that the first movement's B subject is basically a 100% independent solo piano ballad - but it's so engaging and surprising on the ear.

Roasted Swan

Quote from: kyjo on May 22, 2024, 04:14:15 PMI love the 2nd PC! In some ways I prefer it to the better-known 1st PC - the beautiful and unique slow movement, with its significant concertante roles for violin and cello, is basically a triple concerto in itself! The first movement impresses with its regal character, and the finale is a catchy, energetic romp in classic Tchaikovsky style. I'm mostly familiar with the Donohoe/Barshai/Bournemouth recording on Warner, which is a real barnstormer! FWIW, I also think the 3rd PC and the Concert Fantasia are rather underrated - in fact, I only listened to the latter for the first time a few weeks ago!

The Donohoe performance (with Kennedy & Isserlis playing the solo parts in the slow movement) was an award winning disc back on original release.  Fine piece and very fine recording

kyjo

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Quote from: Roasted Swan link=msg=1566138 ;D  date=1716442491The Donohoe performance (with Kennedy & Isserlis playing the solo parts in the slow movement) was an award winning disc back on original release.  Fine piece and very fine recording

I had no idea that Kennedy and Isserlis played the solo parts in that recording! No wonder it sounds so good! ;D
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