New Releases

[Florestan]

FYI, it may be a language barrier thing, but the question here does come off a bit hostile. It reads like you are defending those artists by going on the attack.

Well, I am defending those artists, possibly a bit hostile.

It's not that much a language barrier thing, but a cultural barrier thing. I mean, we Romanians have a proverb: whomever cant reach the grapes, claims they are sour. Like, amw (a confessedly unprofessional pianist) complaining about this or that professional pianist being dead wrong on their interpretation of Chopin's music. No offense meant but I'd take, say, the first name coming to my kind, Maria Joao Pires's Nocturnes over amw's any day or midnight.

(FWIW, I did once sketch out what I'd want to do if I were a pianist and if I got to the level of a recording career. My debut album would include two rarities I really love a lot and suffer from a lack of recording choices - A. Tcherepnin's Etudes Op 18 and excerpted preludes from Kabelac Op 30 - along with two mainstream works where I have really unusual/bizarre ideas for how they should be played, and which no existing recording gets the way that the works go in my head - Chopin's Barcarolle and Schumann's Fantasie. I'd hope to be recognized for personality both on the choices of rarities and the clearly well outside mainstream interpretive choices in the famous stuff.)

Splendid! I for one would get your debut recording instantly --- if only because any new recording featuring Chopin or Schumann is of interest to me.

[prémont]

The poster was obviously provoked by an entry.

I didn't intend to be provocative, but just wondered about the purpose of using a piano, which is a hundred years old. One doesn't get closer to the baroque sound world for that reason.

[Brahmsian]

Moderator: please transfer this discussion to a more appropriate thread - I mean, this still is "New Releases", right? Thank you.

Just block all of us, and then you will only see your posts, which are all listing new releases or telling the world you blocked someone. You can also add me to the list.

[Florestan]

A peculiar comment.

+ 1.

I cannot relate that particular/peculiar comment to any post in this thread. Unless educated, articulated and civil expression of one's mind is to be put on one's ignore list.

[Brahmsian]

+ 1.

I cannot relate this particular/peculiar comment to any post in this thread. Unless educated, articulated and civil expression of one's mind is to be put on one's ignore list.

+ 2

[Mirror Image]

Just block all of us, and then you will only see your posts, which are all listing new releases or telling the world you blocked someone. You can also add me to the list.

+1 If someone wants to put me on their ignore list, that's fine by me! Immaturity is always a prerequisite for joining a forum it seems these days.

[Florestan]

Immaturity is always a prerequisite for joining leaving a forum it seems these days.

FTFY. 

[Brahmsian]

FTFY. 

Best example of immature behaviour was the Moeran biographer who took his ball ⚽ and went home because people dared asked questions.

[Brian]

Wow, I missed the Moeran biographer, that sounds fun. Is Moeran really that controversial??

It's not that much a language barrier thing, but a cultural barrier thing. I mean, we Romanians have a proverb: whomever cant reach the grapes, claims they are sour. Like, amw (a confessedly unprofessional pianist) complaining about this or that professional pianist being dead wrong on their interpretation of Chopin's music. No offense meant but I'd take, say, the first name coming to my kind, Maria Joao Pires's Nocturnes over amw's any day or midnight.

As a writer about restaurants who has never owned a restaurant, I have a professional interest in not adopting this attitude!

(But seriously, there are other approaches to music besides the artist's; the historian's, the musicologist's, the listener's, the critic's, etc. If you are not interested in a non-performer's view of how music should be played, that is fine, it just leaves us with much less to talk about.)

[Florestan]

Best example of immature behaviour was the Moeran biographer who took his ball ⚽ and went home because people dared asked questions.

Well, there's a Romanian saying in this respect: if you don't go my way, I'll take all my toys and go home! 

[Florestan]

there are other approaches to music besides the artist's; the historian's, the musicologist's, the listener's, the critic's,

You nominated the only five categories that to the very best of my knowledge are, or might be, relevantly interested in how "good music" GMG-style is approached. Please let me/us know what other aproaches to this kind of music are. TIA.

[Florestan]

a writer about restaurants who has never owned a restaurant

Hah! 

[kyjo]

I wanted to get excited about this release, but I can't. While I love both of these works, neither of them need another recording, IMHO.

It's better than yet another Beethoven/Brahms/Bruckner/Mahler recording, at least!

[Florestan]

Hint: look at the phrase "I think it is"

Well, yes, agreed --- but we're going in circles. 

Imho, there is no right or wrong performance, let alone right or wrong instrument. As for "the composer's intention(s)", they are written on the other side of the moon --- nobody, not even the composer(s) themselves have any strict and fixed idea(s) about what they are and how they should sound. And anyway., a work of art once made public acquires a life of its own, independent of what the original intentions of its author were. The audience is sovereign.

[Brahmsian]

And anyway., a work of art once made public acquires a life of its own, independent of what the original intentions of its author were. The audience is sovereign.

That pretty much dismisses the entire period instrument and period performance cult in one fell swoop.

And I approve this message! 

[Florestan]

That pretty much dismisses the entire period instrument and period performance cult in one fell swoop.

And I approve this message! 

mon semblable, — mon frère! 

[Brian]

Back to what jlopes posted - there are a couple more BIS releases coming that I found info on, and some Naxos stuff:

[Jo498]

That pretty much dismisses the entire period instrument and period performance cult in one fell swoop.

It does not. That movement would not have been so hugely successful, if 1970s-2020s audiences had not liked the results. It works very well as music making for people in the late 20th/early 21st century. This might not be the "official" justification (although many of its musicians have said it pretty much like that).

[Mandryka]

Sorry for my awful English and have a nice week.

Your English is perfect.

[André]

+ 1 to both his arguments and his English.