Comparing Composers

[karlhenning]

I did read it and I disagree with it.  But since it is his personal opinion I honor it.  However we part company when he tried to present personal opinion as fact. 

Thank you, BTW, for confirming this -- for we cannot be talking about the same Luke:

Gawd, but you're the funny one! You still haven't read Luke's post, have you? Go on: tell the truth, and shame the devil!

[Teresa]

Thank you, BTW, for confirming this -- for we cannot be talking about the same Luke:

I am talking about this Luke - Full Member - Tuplet Nester (Fourth Degree), the only Luke in this thread and I answered all of his arguments about presenting personal opinions of greatness as FACTS when enough people have the same personal opinions.  I countered every single argument he presented as personal opinions of Greatness cannot magically turn into facts.  It will not happen in the real world, NEVER!

[Saul]

Your first claim has nothing to do with honoring other people's opinions.  The ending chord progression was a quote from my Music, Theory and Harmony teacher.  However the course was decades ago and the alternate ending he said was used for the first time in Haydn's Surprise Symphony could have been IV-V-I not II-V-I, thus giving the world TWO not ONE ending chord progression choices.  He used this as a demonstration on how compositional rules can change with usage.  This of course has nothing to do with me, so that attack is uncalled for.

Second I OWN all of Rachmaninov's works for orchestra and piano and orchestra and I have NEVER heard hard dissonance in a single work.  Rachmaninov is one of my favorite composers and I do not buy the arguement that he has ever used hard dissonance and would love to know of a single example.

There are many composer's I do not like, I do not believe all of them are bad composers, if fact some of them are good, I just do not care for their music.  However I firmly believe Mozart is the worst composer I have ever heard on every single measurement level, but that is only my personal belief, every human being is FREE to believe as their heart tells them. 

As I said many, many, many times before GREATNESS is in the ears, eyes and mind of the beholder.  To believe otherwise is anti-freedom as it tries to push personal views on others. 

Why can't you RESPECT other people's opinions?  Why is that so hard for you?  You are the one making a spectacle of yourself (Not I) by denying other people opinions of greatness and worthiness based on your own value system. 

In short you believe in projecting your personal beliefs on others and I believe in personal freedom.  I firmly believe that ANYONE can express their beliefs in whatever music or composers they feel are Great, Good, Poor of Bad without the need to belittle them.  This is a lesson in life you may want to learn "let people freely express their opinions without the need to attack them".  It will make your life much easier.  Love and Peace always! 

Teresa,

I don't know how long you're in this forum, but take it from personal experience.

When these fellas here decide to gain up on you, there is no letting go.
These wolves made the art of sharpening their teeth as a form of art, a rather gibberish form of art, but that's what they do.

But Let's cut them some slack, at least they have something to do in their spare time.

No opinion, and No thought, and no argument, and no comment that goes contrary to theirs is accepted here. They might tell you that it is, but that's some lefty lip service, they will make fun of it just like Karl, the official composer of this site, and the whole universe, of course, that your opinion of Mozart is 'Crackers'.

Remember Luke's 'critic' of my opinions saying that ' it has many holes'?

Yes, if  you'll add Karl's Crackers and Luke's Swiss Cheese, there is no wonder that the site sometimes feels constipated.

Cheers,

Saul

[knight66]

OK, I am locking this topic; as I think there is no further progress to be obtained in the specific lines of argument between the recently active parties.

I will unlock it again in a day or so and hope that there will be interest in comparing composers, with accepted facts that Teresa does not like Mozart and considers him to be a poor composer. Those facts having been very fully discussed, I would like them to be ignored for now please.

Knight