Quiz: Mystery scores

[lukeottevanger]

More specifically, of course - is it his Stabat Mater, which is also an interpolation into that later work?

[Maciek]

I have the Penderecki Polish Requiem, as it happens. Can't say I've listened to it much, though....

I don't blame you! I think I've managed to sit through the whole thing only once. I do return to the Lacrimosa and Agnus Dei quite often though... (Also, some of the parts where he quotes the Polish church hymn "Swiety Boze" are good too but, again, a bit longish for my tastes... )

In passing, is no 72 from the same geezer's St Luke Passion?

Yes, it is! Now all we need is the title - it shouldn't be too difficult, I think...

Ah, I see you've already spelled it out:

More specifically, of course - is it his Stabat Mater, which is also an interpolation into that later work?

That's correct. Now I have to edit the latter part of this post. One sec...



Before I start with my new batch of clues: I'd like to correct a significant (but really unintended) typo in my clue to MM 76!!! The words shouted by the choir are "corpora palvulorum"! Sorry for that...

Also, an addendum to my earlier replies: I meant to give you the proper reference for the Ciurlionis piece. It is Prelude VL 339 (1909). And the "work" Stravinsky owned was, of course, a painting! The Rekasius Prelude comes from his set of 12 piano preludes entitle Atonika (1972).

The following numbers from my set remain unguessed (I'm providing links):
33
36
44-48
50
51
54, 55
69, 70
71, 73-75
76-80
81-85
86, 88-90

Now, here's the clue. The works that remain to be guessed are by the following composers (in alphabetical order):

Bacewicz 4 pieces
Baird 4 pieces
Beethoven 1 piece
(Augustyn) Bloch 1
Knittel 1
Liszt 1 (we already know which one)
Lutoslawski 4
(Krzysztof) Meyer 1
Moniuszko 5
Mykietyn 1
Penderecki 4 (one of them, I think, already identified)
Schubert 1
Schumann 1
(Tomasz) Sikorski 1
Zielinska 1

I hope I haven't made a mistake - there are still quite a few of them left, after all!

[Maciek]

Hmmm... It doesn't add up (28 vs. 30 or is it 31? ). Let me count again... 0:)

(Well, at least I gave you the names...)



Ah, corrected. Everything was fine, really: I simply forgot to include the last three links (87-90).

[Maciek]

Not my perfect day, memory-wise...

Here's another thing I've forgotten: the Marek & Vacek version of Moniuszko's Prząśniczka (The Spinning-girl) - my number 39 (for fun purposes).

[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/01Przasniczka.mp3[/mp3]

[greg]

Wasn't much help anyway, apparently. Greg, where are you?

busy 

I don't blame you! I think I've managed to sit through the whole thing only once. I do return to the Lacrimosa and Agnus Dei quite often though... (Also, some of the parts where he quotes the Polish church hymn "Swiety Boze" are good too but, again, a bit longish for my tastes... )

Yes, it is! Now all we need is the title - it shouldn't be too difficult, I think...

Ah, I see you've already spelled it out:

That's correct. Now I have to edit the latter part of this post. One sec...



Before I start with my new batch of clues: I'd like to correct a significant (but really unintended) typo in my clue to MM 76!!! The words shouted by the choir are "corpora palvulorum"! Sorry for that...

Also, an addendum to my earlier replies: I meant to give you the proper reference for the Ciurlionis piece. It is Prelude VL 339 (1909). And the "work" Stravinsky owned was, of course, a painting! The Rekasius Prelude comes from his set of 12 piano preludes entitle Atonika (1972).

The following numbers from my set remain unguessed (I'm providing links):
33
36
44-48
50
51
54, 55
69, 70
71, 73-75
76-80
81-85
86, 88-90

Now, here's the clue. The works that remain to be guessed are by the following composers (in alphabetical order):

Bacewicz 4 pieces
Baird 4 pieces
Beethoven 1 piece
(Augustyn) Bloch 1
Knittel 1
Liszt 1 (we already know which one)
Lutoslawski 4
(Krzysztof) Meyer 1
Moniuszko 5
Mykietyn 1
Penderecki 4 (one of them, I think, already identified)
Schubert 1
Schumann 1
(Tomasz) Sikorski 1
Zielinska 1

I hope I haven't made a mistake - there are still quite a few of them left, after all!

oooooooooohhhhh sweet
i'll take a few minutes and make some guesses

ok.... is MM86 Beethoven or Schubert? or maybe it's one of those guys i haven't heard about...

you guys where talking about the Polish Requiem- is that MM82? I love the Polish Requiem! Listened to it about 3 times but haven't heard it in over a year... 

MM77 is very confusing... blatantly Penderecki yet i can't think of any of his scores that uses such and extensive bass clarinet solo!

MM51- looks like Schubert.

[Mark G. Simon]

MM77 is very confusing... blatantly Penderecki yet i can't think of any of his scores that uses such and extensive bass clarinet solo!

Then it has to be his greatest composition!

[Maciek]

Nice hearing from you, Greg.

ok.... is MM86 Beethoven or Schubert? or maybe it's one of those guys i haven't heard about...

It's not Beethoven and not Schubert. And I have no way of telling whether it's by someone you've heard about...

you guys where talking about the Polish Requiem- is that MM82?

Yes, it is. But since this movement is often performed (and recorded) separately, would it be too much if I asked for the title of it as well? 0:)

MM77 is very confusing... blatantly Penderecki yet i can't think of any of his scores that uses such and extensive bass clarinet solo!

Hmmm... Could it possibly be by someone other than Penderecki then?

MM51- looks like Schubert.

But it's not!

[greg]

Yes, it is. But since this movement is often performed (and recorded) separately, would it be too much if I asked for the title of it as well? 0:)

Lacrimosa?

Hmmm... Could it possibly be by someone other than Penderecki then? Wink Wink

the only other Polish composers on your list i'm familiar with are Lutoslawski and Meyer.... and i haven't heard them write so many straightforward clusters, i don't think.... or could it be someone else?

[Maciek]

Lacrimosa?

Precisely!

the only other Polish composers on your list i'm familiar with are Lutoslawski and Meyer.... and i haven't heard them write so many straightforward clusters, i don't think.... or could it be someone else?

Well, OK, this composer is not exactly notorious for his use of clusters. The way he uses the woodwinds in this passage, OTOH, seems (at least to me) very characteristic. I feel I'm revealing too much here but what the heck - it's the beginning of a new year, isn't it? I'll be much more reticent with clues in December! So, for the record: it's neither Penderecki, nor Lutoslawski, nor Meyer.

[Maciek]

I've added a few more clues to the later ones (starting with 77) - not to all of them though. Somehow I just can't think of any good clues to most of them...

[lukeottevanger]

A few answers/guesses.....

33 - Sikorski - First of 2 Preludes
45 is clearly Beethoven, as I thought initially - the problem is finding the song itself.
46 ditto re Schumann
48 and ditto re Schubert
70 - is this Zielinska?
75 - Bacewicz - Children's Suite
78 - also Bacewicz
82 - I'll have you know I guessed the Penderecki Polish Wotsit for this first (see above), but didn't have the patience to sit through it and find the movement 
83 - Baird - Goethe-Briefe
86 - Bacewicz - Concerto for String Orchestra
90 - Meyer - Concerto da Camera no 4

I have ideas on a few others too, but it will help if I know if these are right or not....

[Maciek]

Ah, Luke, you're in excellent form, as always!

A few answers/guesses.....

33 - Sikorski - First of 2 Preludes
45 is clearly Beethoven, as I thought initially - the problem is finding the song itself.
46 ditto re Schumann
48 and ditto re Schubert
70 - is this Zielinska?

All correct. Nice to see the Sikorski "recognized".

75 - Bacewicz - Children's Suite

It is Bacewicz but not part of the Children's Suite. It is quite popular as a separate piece, especially in a violin arrangement (and another one for orchestra too!). I think the original (violin) version comes from 1951.

78 - also Bacewicz

Yes.

82 - I'll have you know I guessed the Penderecki Polish Wotsit for this first (see above), but didn't have the patience to sit through it and find the movement 

Hm. Yes but you never gave us a score number - so that doesn't count as a real guess...

83 - Baird - Goethe-Briefe
86 - Bacewicz - Concerto for String Orchestra

Both correct.

90 - Meyer - Concerto da Camera no 4

Nope. Not even Meyer. Can't think of a good clue for this. It does look like another one of the unguessed ones, IMO - and they are both by thes same composer. But I guess that's a bit vague...?

[Maciek]

Here's an update, hopefully correct :

The following numbers from my set remain unguessed:
36
44-48
50
51
54, 55
69, 70
71, 73-75
76-80
81, 84, 85
88-90

Now, here's the clue. The works that remain to be guessed are by the following composers (in alphabetical order):

Bacewicz 3 pieces (2 identified)
Baird 3 pieces
Beethoven 1 piece (identified)
(Augustyn) Bloch 1
Knittel 1
Liszt 1 (identified)
Lutoslawski 4
(Krzysztof) Meyer 1
Moniuszko 5
Mykietyn 1
Penderecki 3 (1 identified)
Schubert 1 (identified)
Schumann 1 (identified)
Zielinska 1 (identified)

[lukeottevanger]

We must get this stuff finished! Let's wrap these last ones up. A few more guesses, then, some more complete than others:

36 – Is this a Prelude by Knittel? He has written some.....
44 – see below – can't quite get this one, though! Is this Moniuszko too? I'm only going by your clue that there are 5 Moniuszko ones left.
The following four are settings of Goethe's Kennst du das Land by Beethoven, Schumann, Monisuzko and Schubert, I think
45 - Beethoven
46 - Schumann
47 - Moniuszko
48 – Schubert
50 – Moniuszko – Drinking Song (Moniuszko set the same poem as Chopin, Hulanka)
52 – Moniuszko – Spring (and he set this one too)
54 – Moniuszko – My Darling (ditto)
55 – Liszt – Guessing also either Spring or My Darling (probably the former?) as these are the only ones of the above that he transcribed in his six Chopin transcriptions
69 – Penderecki – The Dream of Jacob? Total guess....
70 – Zielinska – Little Atrophic Symphony? Ditto....
71 – Is this the Mykietyn? In which case, is it his Piano Concerto?
73 – Baird - Psychodrama?
74 – Lutoslawski – Invention (1968)?
75 – Bacewicz – Mazovian Dance?
76 – ?
77 – Baird  - Tomorrow?
78 – Bacewicz – Rondino? Sonatina? Ten Concert Etudes?
79 – Augustyn Bloch - Anenaiki
80 - Penderecki?
81 – Lutoslawski?
84 – Lutoslawski?
85 - Bacewicz?
88 – Penderecki – Anaklasis – just a guess, as it is a piece from about the time that this score appears to have been composed, written for strings and percussion, so it might fit. I have a recording at home, but I'm not at home.....!
89 - Lutoslawski - Partita
90 - Baird - Scenes for Cello, Harp and Orchestra

[greg]

everyone of them are right, Luke, including the ? marks. Those aren't real scores, Maciek just made them up.

[lukeottevanger]

Wouldn't surprise me.

I need a healthy dose of non-Polish music now.....    0:)

[Maciek]

IMPORTANT: This post contains further clues! They are all in red.

Luke, your "guesses" are amazing - but we all know they're not real guesses - you actually own all these scores and are just trying to look even smarter than you already are...

We must get this stuff finished! Let’s wrap these last ones up. A few more guesses, then, some more complete than others:

36 – Is this a Prelude by Knittel? He has written some…..
44 – see below – can’t quite get this one, though! Is this Moniuszko too? I’m only going by your clue that there are 5 Moniuszko ones left.
The following four are settings of Goethe’s Kennst du das Land by Beethoven, Schumann, Monisuzko and Schubert, I think
45 - Beethoven
46 - Schumann
47 - Moniuszko
48 – Schubert
50 – Moniuszko – Drinking Song (Moniuszko set the same poem as Chopin, Hulanka)
52 – Moniuszko – Spring (and he set this one too)
54 – Moniuszko – My Darling (ditto)

All correct! 44 is Moniuszko's song to a text by Kraszewski. But by an amazing coincidence the first words ("Znasz-li ten kraj...") are the same as those of the translation of Goethe's poem that Moniuszko uses. Hence this song too is known under that title.

55 – Liszt – Guessing also either Spring or My Darling (probably the former?)

Actually, the latter!

69 – Penderecki – The Dream of Jacob? Total guess….
70 – Zielinska – Little Atrophic Symphony? Ditto….
71 – Is this the Mykietyn? In which case, is it his Piano Concerto?
73 – Baird - Psychodrama?
74 – Lutoslawski – Invention (1968)?

All very good guesses (meaning they are all correct!).

75 – Bacewicz – Mazovian Dance?

Nope.

76 – ?

That's right. We still don't know this one.

Hint especially for Greg (and others too, of course): a recording of this has been just released or will be released very soon by Naxos.

77 – Baird  - Tomorrow?

Yes!

78 – Bacewicz – Rondino?

Of course! ( )

79 – Augustyn Bloch - Anenaiki

Yes. Great piece - though perhaps that's difficult to tell by the first page of the score...

80 - Penderecki?

Nope. But it is a Polish composer. HA HA HA!

81 – Lutoslawski?

Yes, one of his larger scores. And a piece that didn't exactly impress Sean when he listened to it fairly recently...

84 – Lutoslawski?

Nope. Sorry. It does look a bit like him though, doesn't it? In a way, it reminds me of Mi-parti (but also of one of Penderecki's Cello Concertos) - but just in the opening bars.

85 - Bacewicz?

Yes. You need to repeat one of your guesses (not quoted above) to get the title...

88 – Penderecki – Anaklasis – just a guess, as it is a piece from about the time that this score appears to have been composed, written for strings and percussion, so it might fit. I have a recording at home, but I’m not at home…..!

Nope. Wow, I sincerely thought this would be one of the easier ones - because I believed this was one of his most famous pieces. Obviously I was wrong... This one has no percussion in it, and it is not Threnody!

89 - Lutoslawski - Partita
90 - Baird - Scenes for Cello, Harp and Orchestra

Precisely. On both counts.

[Maciek]

Oh, and Luke's 52 is my 51!

[greg]

88- Polymorphia

[Maciek]

Correct, Greg!

Another update:

The following numbers from my set remain unguessed:
75
76, 80
81, 84, 85

The works that remain to be guessed are by the following composers (in alphabetical order):

Bacewicz 2 pieces
Lutoslawski 2
(Krzysztof) Meyer 1
Penderecki 1